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Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by bryanlarsen »

ksec wrote: post #8
GaggiX wrote: post #4

I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games…

>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.

If 99.9% compatibility is good enough they could probably switch vendors if they reimplemented NVN on a different SOC, assuming that Nintendo was smart enough to retain the rights to reimplement NVN.

Reimplementing NVN is a big lift so NVidia certainly has the inside track but it's probably enough of a threat that Nintendo has some negotiating power.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by hospitalJail »

ksec wrote: post #8
GaggiX wrote: post #4

I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games…

>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.

Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo.

Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP.

Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by AlexandrB »

hospitalJail wrote: post #13
ksec wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.

Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.

I'll take whatever Nintendo is doing over gambling and fomo-baited cash shops in games any day. Though Nintendo's popular mobile games are as bad as any mobile gacha "experience".

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by ActionHank »

GaggiX wrote: post #4

I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games…

Man, if it could just run the store properly I would be happy.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by hospitalJail »

AlexandrB wrote: post #14
hospitalJail wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.

I'll take whatever Nintendo is doing over gambling and fomo-baited cash shops in games any day. Though Nintendo's popular mobile games are as bad as any mobile gacha "experience".

Whataboutism

I'll join in on the bashing of bad companies:

I'll take Nintendo over Mercenary companies. Or Nintendo over Theranos!

I'll take Nintendo over that one healthcare clinic that was fraud billing medicare.

This thread is about Nintendo though, not mobile gaming.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by hbn »

GaggiX wrote: post #4

I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games…

I feel like they pretty much have to make it backwards compatible. They just released a new Zelda game which is like a once-every-7-years event and there's no way they're gonna make people re-buy the game a year after launch on the new console, especially when they already made it the most expensive single price for a Switch game. Plus they have a fairly big Mario release coming up next month (Super Mario Bros Wonder), which again, they're not gonna make people re-buy within a year of release.

It doesn't make sense to be launching these big titles a year before the new console if you only have a year to buy/play them before they sell you a new console that can't play it. Nintendo historically hasn't worked like that.

My guess is it'll be backwards compatible like the jump from DS to 3DS, where the cartridge slot fits the last gen system's games and has the same contacts, but the new gen cartridges are shaped with some extra protrusion of plastic that stops you from shoving them into the last gen system.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by jerf »

zzbzq wrote: post #9
lelandbatey wrote: post #2

> Developer presentations for Switch 2 took place behind closed doors, Eurogamer understands, with partners shown tech demos of how well the system is designed to run. > One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) Inte…

Actually, just straight-up re-releasing remasters of the games might be a way to make backward compatibility work as a business model. I'm really cynical that, while the consumers in threads like this widely consider the backward compatibility to be an obvious choice, it just doesn't make business sense in a world where certain companies in particular make such a killing by perpetually re-selling the same games back…

You can see them doing this with the WiiU lineup, which it turns out in hindsight had a lot of good games for it. But this works for them precisely because "nobody" bought those games, and there was still a good amount of time between rereleases.

I don't think Nintendo is dim enough to release a Switch 2 next year and try to re-release Breath of the Wild for it.

In fact I'll go out on a limb and suggest that based on previous console lifecycles, and the way the 1st party support tends to trail off towards the end of the cycle so they can dev on the new console so it can have a release line up, and the way that (current) Switch releases are powering through like there isn't a new console coming out in a year, that we're looking at a very high probability of a 100% backwards compatible console here. Otherwise I think they'd be holding more of this stuff back for the next release.

With the way consoles work nowadays it'd be pretty easy for them to release a new engine for BotW/TotK for a Switch 2 that just comes down as a patch like any other when you plug the cartridge in. And you hardly even need a new engine just to push out a higher res display, as emulators prove.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by chainwax »

zzbzq wrote: post #9
lelandbatey wrote: post #2

> Developer presentations for Switch 2 took place behind closed doors, Eurogamer understands, with partners shown tech demos of how well the system is designed to run. > One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) Inte…

Actually, just straight-up re-releasing remasters of the games might be a way to make backward compatibility work as a business model. I'm really cynical that, while the consumers in threads like this widely consider the backward compatibility to be an obvious choice, it just doesn't make business sense in a world where certain companies in particular make such a killing by perpetually re-selling the same games back…

I have to imagine the Steam Deck playing in the same price bracket (the refurb base model was going for $320), Nintendo _may_ feel the pressure to support backwards compatibility. Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed?

Nintendo is also in a different position this time around, as the WiiU, DS, 3DS, etc had such different hardware that remaking a game for the Switch was essentially a necessity, whereas I expect the Switch 2 to be a Switch with faster hardware.

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