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Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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> Staffing is the “single biggest cost” after fees paid to app distribution platforms like Apple Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google, according to Arison. This is a hilarious quote. It's a software company! What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff.

> What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? Server costs don't seem to be mentioned anywhere here?

Unless a company is doing a computationally expensive thing (like deep learning, or big data crunching etc) or the domain is commoditized/low value then the opex should be an inconsequential amount, and only at massive scale does it become worth optimizing (relative to the cost of engineer's time to do that optimization).

Optimizing for runtime speed can be a product advantage though, but in my experiences are usually unimportant so long as it's not absurdly inefficient.

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> I'm guessing that this was intended to reduce the headcount without paying severance The employees were planning to unionize, and the RTO plan "conveniently" came up right at that time. These are pretty classic union-busting techniques. I'm actually pretty nervous for users from a security perspective. The Grindr data is essentially a blackmail gold mine - combine a ton of disgruntled employees with the loss of exp…

> I'm actually pretty nervous for users from a security perspective. The Grindr data is essentially a blackmail gold mine - combine a ton of disgruntled employees with the loss of expertise to maintain app security (which had a number of issues in the past), and I don't think it bodes well. This shouldn't change anything from an opsec perspective. Google itself will always have record of you having downloaded it to y…

> The Grindr data is essentially a blackmail gold mine.

More than that. It's leaked before.[1] Grindr data was used to catch a senior US Catholic official:

"... an analysis of app data signals correlated to Burrill’s mobile device shows the priest also visited gay bars and private residences while using a location-based hookup app in numerous cities from 2018 to 2020, even while traveling on assignment for the U.S. bishops’ conference."

“On Monday, we became aware of impending media reports alleging possible improper behavior by Msgr. Burrill. What was shared with us did not include allegations of misconduct with minors. However, in order to avoid becoming a distraction to the operations and ongoing work of the Conference, Monsignor has resigned effective immediately,”[2]

[1] https://www.engadget.com/grindr-location-data-sold-for-years...

[2] https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/pillar-investigates-usccb-g...

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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> Staffing is the “single biggest cost” after fees paid to app distribution platforms like Apple Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google, according to Arison. This is a hilarious quote. It's a software company! What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff.

Yeah, it's pretty normal that software companies, perhaps with the exception of those with large datacenter footprints but probably even them, have people as their largest cost.

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> " with zero ability to think through long-term consequences" The median tenure in tech is one to two years before moving on to another team or company [1]. You need to say that what you care about is long term, but that's now how we're compensated (read: incentivised). Plus you're not there to see it anyways so there are really very little incentives to think long term. [1] some googling but couldn't find a great s…

Yeah that is a good point. Short-term thinking and short tenures are incentivized. The short average tenure in tech is just crazy to me, considering that onboarding takes forever compared to most industries, and how expensive the hiring process itself is. Nonetheless, companies hate giving existing employees raises despite how much it helps retention.

Well another way to think about it is that onboarding new folks is the only way to really check if your following a sane software development practice.

If it takes folks more than a few months to onboard, you probably have too many rules, standards or other processes that are pointless. There a multiple exceptions but if you can’t onboard folks fast your management team is either incompetent or they don’t pay developers enough to care who learns.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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> What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? Server costs don't seem to be mentioned anywhere here?

Unless a company is doing a computationally expensive thing (like deep learning, or big data crunching etc) or the domain is commoditized/low value then the opex should be an inconsequential amount, and only at massive scale does it become worth optimizing (relative to the cost of engineer's time to do that optimization). Optimizing for runtime speed can be a product advantage though, but in my experiences are usuall…

I don't think that has much bearing on my question of ranking server costs with other costs (which I don't know the answer to, I'm just saying it's a cost among all the others cited). Further, I think their app is pretty popular so it does require some of that optimized engineering on the server side.

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> The median tenure in tech is one to two years before moving on to another team or company [1]. Note that individuals who switch jobs often inherently will figure in a higher number of tenures that you’re taking the median of here. This means the majority of software engineers will actually have a longer tenure.

Depends how you sample. If you look at all current employees, and ask how long they were in their previous job, i don't think it does.

That will also skew towards shorter tenures, (a) because shorter tenures tend to occur earlier in a career rather than later (so a previous tenure is more likely to have been shorter), and (b) when you’re sampling at a random point within a career, you’re more likely to hit a long tenure within that career, which conversely means that the previous tenure (or more generally, any of the past or future tenures) will more likely be shorter than the current one in that career.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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Which implies that staffing is less than 30% which means .... where is the other 40% going?!?!? Edit: unless advertising spend on the platforms is being counted ...

Does "staffing" include contractors? That could be another big chunk.

Normally, people they're paying directly would be lumped together. Not sure the accounting rules if it's an outside agency but probably.

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(1) You can't assume losing half of staff is a downside. RTO is a great solution for bloated companies which overhired during the pandemic. (2) On the flip side, RTO is only a lever for large tech companies who pay great salaries. Startups' advantage is that they can compete for talent by offering remote work that large companies are not willing to offer due to their large real estate commitments. You may just be bet…

> RTO is a great solution for bloated companies which overhired during the pandemic Not really. A bloated company that overhired during the pandemic would presumably like to choose who they let go.

Obviously, but if we're talking about scales like 50%, it's probably more efficient to roll the dice.

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Are Craigslist or Ebay software companies? They obviously need software to run, but like Google who are mainly in the ad business, these people are in the matchmaking/social business not software business --unless they were to sell their software to other parties who were user/client-facing.

I think of it like this: would the business exist without the software they wrote in house to facilitate the business? If the business ceases to exist without the software: it's a software company.

I do like that definition, but there's also the question of what kind of business would it be? There are companies that have to write their own software, because there isn't commercially available solution that will allow them to scale. Companies like energy trading companies, banks, hedge funds, ISPs and so on. They might buy some solutions, but build others.

eBay also doesn't magically become an auction house, just because they decide to buy a platform, rather than develop one. Amazon (the webshop) isn't a software company... but they write a ton of software.

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I think of it like this: would the business exist without the software they wrote in house to facilitate the business? If the business ceases to exist without the software: it's a software company.

If that's the criteria, can you name any company that's not a software company in 2023? The local steel mill got hit with ransomware a few months ago. The Windows virus didn't touch the furnace controls, cranes, sand dispensers, or forklifts, but it shut down their custom software that lets them receive purchasing requests, queue work orders to the foreman, and eventually ship to and bill customers, and they were shu…

I understood it as the company has to write the software in-house. The steel mill bought the software, so not a software company by that definition.
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