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Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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post #15

Buried lede. The RTO requirement was in response to the staff attempting to unionize. Either retaliation or a clever method to clear out the workers who were most in favour of the union without breaking labour laws.

How is the unionization push a buried lede when the unionization push is in the story's lede

Dusty headline, then.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These are pretty classic union-busting techniques. The NLRB has been notified, mentioned in the article.

The real question is will they do anything.

It's likely.

https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-wor...

https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/board-issues-d...

https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/national-labor...

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

#54
post #27

> Staffing is the “single biggest cost” after fees paid to app distribution platforms like Apple Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google, according to Arison. This is a hilarious quote. It's a software company! What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff.

> It's a software company! But it's not actually a software company.

What are they?

Edit: as the saying goes, people don't want a drill, they want a hole. So if Grindr isn't a software company but a matchmaker that happens to write software (or CaaS/PaaS), then I don't know who truly is a software company. Microsoft is a productivity company, Amazon is a retailer & B2B services company, Google is an advertiser, and so on.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

#55
post #6

Not sure that it's such a great business decision to lose almost half your staff, and probably moreso the higher-performing ones with other options. I'm guessing that this was intended to reduce the headcount without paying severance, which sounds attractive to the average MBA brain with zero ability to think through long-term consequences.

> I'm guessing that this was intended to reduce the headcount without paying severance The employees were planning to unionize, and the RTO plan "conveniently" came up right at that time. These are pretty classic union-busting techniques. I'm actually pretty nervous for users from a security perspective. The Grindr data is essentially a blackmail gold mine - combine a ton of disgruntled employees with the loss of exp…

They forgot to mention that all of their customers just left also. One of those employees has all the data. Guaranteed.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

#56

> Staffing is the “single biggest cost” after fees paid to app distribution platforms like Apple Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google, according to Arison. This is a hilarious quote. It's a software company! What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff.

> I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff. Well it's 30% of their revenue right off the top.

Which implies that staffing is less than 30% which means .... where is the other 40% going?!?!?

Edit: unless advertising spend on the platforms is being counted ...

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

#57

(1) You can't assume losing half of staff is a downside. RTO is a great solution for bloated companies which overhired during the pandemic. (2) On the flip side, RTO is only a lever for large tech companies who pay great salaries. Startups' advantage is that they can compete for talent by offering remote work that large companies are not willing to offer due to their large real estate commitments. You may just be bet…

> RTO is a great solution for bloated companies which overhired during the pandemic

Not really. A bloated company that overhired during the pandemic would presumably like to choose who they let go.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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post #29
post #15

Buried lede. The RTO requirement was in response to the staff attempting to unionize. Either retaliation or a clever method to clear out the workers who were most in favour of the union without breaking labour laws.

Labor laws are a lot more assuming than criminal laws in the US - if you do something that looks suspect and you had foreknowledge of the situation you're trying to resolve, then there's nearly no mens rea component - it is just assumed you were acting in bad faith.

If you had foreknowledge that your employees wanted input (via a union) on employment conditions, and then you unilaterally push an arduous employment condition on them, you have violated the spirit of what they are seeking.

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm guessing that this was intended to reduce the headcount without paying severance The employees were planning to unionize, and the RTO plan "conveniently" came up right at that time. These are pretty classic union-busting techniques. I'm actually pretty nervous for users from a security perspective. The Grindr data is essentially a blackmail gold mine - combine a ton of disgruntled employees with the loss of exp…

I'm not sure if unionization plans came before or after the RTO plans. If it was before, I'd actually consider it a new union-busting technique.

It was before. They didn't acknowledge it and put the RTO in effect. (Second-hand account.)

Re: Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

#60
post #6

Not sure that it's such a great business decision to lose almost half your staff, and probably moreso the higher-performing ones with other options. I'm guessing that this was intended to reduce the headcount without paying severance, which sounds attractive to the average MBA brain with zero ability to think through long-term consequences.

It's a terrible decision. The company is mortally wounded now, and the management (CEO especially) lost any trust, however small that was. Also, all the employees who quit took the six month severance.
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