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Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by GeoAtreides »

astrange wrote: post #149
GeoAtreides wrote: post #147

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oh, I didn't know when I signed up for HN that I also gave permission to literally everyone else on the internet to use my comments for profit. I thought the license only applied to HN. Silly me, guess you learn something new everyday.

The point of this board is to educate people who work for startups, so that they can profit from it.

I'm ok with real human beings reading my wise words on HN and growing and profiting from their infinite wisdom. I am NOT ok with scrappers copying my comments and using them to train LLM or, indeed, for anything else that's not a human being reading it on HN.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by beardedwizard »

cracrecry wrote: post #131
beardedwizard wrote: post #88

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Completely agree. Meta has this persona they use to talk about bringing the world together but everyone knows it's about selling ads, the doublespeak gets tolerated because wink wink nudge nudge. I see these as two sides of the same coin. The OpenAI version is even more grotesque because it seems to imply a small group will survive at the expense of the rest of us, which in turn creates this illusion that society nee…

>"The OpenAI version is even more grotesque because it seems to imply a small group will survive at the expense of the rest of us." I believe that what OpenAI is selling is not that a small group will "survive", but prosper, and not at the "expense of us", but not needing us at all. Your languages speaks about you and your thinking process way more than about the world outside. First , it implies about an "us versus…

> Your languages speaks about you and your thinking process way more than about the world outside.

Very presumptuous of you :). I'll return the favor and presume you work for openai. When I read things like end of humanity, or end of civilization I think of myself because im a civilized human. What are you?

Have you stopped to consider your own biases?

Regarding IP theft, the law suits speak for themselves. As does the hard pivot toward prohibiting content scraping through terms of service from the sites (and users, who have now been robbed twice) whose content was used to train openAI models.

What do you think is driving that?

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by tsimionescu »

RC_ITR wrote: post #110
guywhocodes wrote: post #92

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ChatGPT is a product built with models. So is copilot. GPT and llama are model (families).

Yes and GPT powers copilot? I'm really straining to understand your point here. Are you implying Llama is the model underneath Copilot?

The point is that while both ChatGPT and Copilot are powered by the same model, they are different products, and one can be useful for one task where the other isn't. Just because someone doesn't find ChatGPT useful doesn't mean they can't find Copilot useful, since there are differences between the two products even if they are powered by the same model.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by have_faith »

imp0cat wrote: post #140
have_faith wrote: post #130

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> didn’t use it for this comment It's worrying that many people are starting to use it as their default. The day that everyone uses an AI to sanitise and write all of their speech, which is in itself an expression of your personality and experience, is the day that the soul is sucked out of all human communication. Just to add, I think AI tech is great in of itself, I just don't see the value in everyone using it to…

> There's a lot of value in imperfections and quirks. Value for whom? For someone whose intent is to track you?

Value for relationships and the general value in diversity in life. Are you proposing that all digital communication should be normalised, across dialects, languages, etc, to remove any trace of individuality to avoid tracking?

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Post by mike_hearn »

ugjka wrote: post #51

> Riding with Altman, I can almost hear the ringing, ambiguous chord that opens “A Hard Day’s Night”—introducing the future. Last November, when OpenAI let loose its monster hit, ChatGPT, it triggered a tech explosion not seen since the internet burst into our lives. Suddenly the Turing test was history, search engines were endangered species, and no college essay could ever be trusted. No job was safe. No scientific…

FWIW I pay for GPT-4 and it actually hallucinates much less. I feel it was trivially worth the upgrade and would sacrifice other services before ChatGPT (I'd rather get API access and use my own frontend of course but I doubt they want to let me).

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by mike_hearn »

swyx wrote: post #5

i highlighted this last night which seems to be making the rounds - https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1699369076529971545 Alec's CV ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/alecradford/ ) seems to be: - 2011-2016 BSc Eng from Olin College - 2013+ started a data/AI consultancy as a sophomore that turned into a vague startup/product? - 2015 first paper on GANs coauthored with soumith https://arxiv.org/pdf/1511.06434.pdf%C3 - 2016 f…

Although that is impressive, isn't it just a side effect of the way AI companies have a culture of publishing research papers, some of which these days are sort of more elaborate blog posts?

There are probably quite a lot of people who have worked on some cool projects 7 years out from graduation, but in fields where they don't get to publish papers about it.

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Post by mptest »

lucia-wermer wrote: post #143
methodical wrote: post #99

I'm sorry- perhaps the intention and wording of the article changes towards the end, but this entire thing as far as I've managed is just a thinly veiled propaganda piece that tries to make OpenAI, the team, and their product out to be some kind of equivalent to a modern day messiah. For me, and everybody I've seen or recently discussed it with, the whole ChatGPT craze has largely died out, and all we're left with is…

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>at the risk of being censored

You mean at the risk of sounding like an anti semite???? You are mentally ill if you think that is relevant. Please seek mental help.

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Post by NerdiDotOrg »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #151
astrange wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of this board is to educate people who work for startups, so that they can profit from it.

I'm ok with real human beings reading my wise words on HN and growing and profiting from their infinite wisdom. I am NOT ok with scrappers copying my comments and using them to train LLM or, indeed, for anything else that's not a human being reading it on HN.

does it actually matter? The potential of AI outweighs anyone's individual concern, privacy, copyright. In reality, AI companies will just pay the fines and take it anyways.

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Post by NerdiDotOrg »

seanhunter wrote: post #138
methodical wrote: post #102

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> "The Beatles set off colossal waves of cultural change, but they anchored their revolution for only so long: Six years after chiming that unforgettable chord they weren’t even a band anymore. The maelstrom OpenAI has unleashed will almost certainly be far bigger." There is no way I can interpret a comparison to the Beatles with the added statement that the Beatles cultural impact will likely be much smaller as anyt…

Also the first chord in "Hard Days Night" is just an F9 chord in C, like you can hear in a billion other places long before the Beatles. I know this is beside the point and is going to sound snobbish, but it's not like the Prometheus chord[1] of Scriabin or the "So What" chord[2] which Bill Evans came up with, or a bunch of other things which are genuinely interesting and novel from a harmonic point of view. The Beat…

Technically though OpenAI is just using 10 year old tech with some newer training models... is that not the same as old chords, new tunes?

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Post by gardenhedge »

jackleeb wrote: post #128
swyx wrote: post #5

i highlighted this last night which seems to be making the rounds - https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1699369076529971545 Alec's CV ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/alecradford/ ) seems to be: - 2011-2016 BSc Eng from Olin College - 2013+ started a data/AI consultancy as a sophomore that turned into a vague startup/product? - 2015 first paper on GANs coauthored with soumith https://arxiv.org/pdf/1511.06434.pdf%C3 - 2016 f…

david luan yale applied math grad (2013) ceo of startup (2011-2017) openai director then promoted to openai vp (2017-2020) google director (2020) this is 7 years out of undergrad he left google director position (7 digits/year btw) to become founder ceo of adept ai, which is now valued at $1 billion this guy is more impressive in terms of career progression (not research)

Super genius or well connected?
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