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The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by FreshStart »

nsxwolf wrote: post #12

I wonder if "Contagion" was propaganda. It really made me believe that if a SARS pandemic ever happened, a bunch of incredibly competent scientists and government agents would swoop in and save us all. The "Olympus Has Fallen" series also made me believe that if a mob ever stepped foot on the White House lawn, a bunch of auto turrets would pop up and gun them all down. The last few years has shown that the world is r…

The realization that incompetence rules in surplus times and nobody rules in undersupply times is most horrifying. We (society) really fall apart rather quickly when push comes to shove.

Which is why to construct society up keeping constructs like social networks + Panopticon or a knowledge storage like youtube are quite the achievement.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by SnowProblem »

appplication wrote: post #148
barbacoa wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/pfizers-clinical-trial-had-... One would expect more deaths in the placebo group from all the people who died of covid. Which makes the data even more striking.

Well I poked around, I’m not sure exactly what you’re seeing. One would expect more covid deaths in the placebo, and that is the case. Most of the deaths in both groups are indeed unrelated to Covid at all. You can see exact cause of death for all participants here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/202... I suspect the number your focusing on is the 4 cardiac arrest deaths. At a glance it seem…

The issue isn't the possible noise in non-covid deaths. It's this rather bold statement:

"None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators"

How would they know? What investigators and what criteria? If there was a 20% increase in seemingly-unrelated deaths, would it be detected? These are the questions that Pfizer should have explained but instead we just got this one pithy sentence. Also remember, this is industry with a history of fraud and criminality. GSK was fined billions for covering up heart deaths in a diabetes treatment only a few years earlier and Pfizer is up on the list too. Our FDA needed to be our advocates and a lot of people feel let down seeing this rubber-stamped.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by LelouBil »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #150
LelouBil wrote: post #127

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French law defines a whole "media chronology" where a movie can only be shown in theaters the first x months, then it can only be leased for the next x months, then released in disc, etc...

Why is that? I assume that's in a no-later-than sense, with later tiers being added on and not replacing earlier ones. If not, wouldn't that make second-run films or pulling under-performers from screens earlier illegal?

Oh yeah my bad I explained it poorly.

The next steps doesn't prevent the ones before.

But about under performers, it has an exception for movies that did under a specific amount of entries, for them the timeline is shorter but still there : you can pull it out of theaters the day right after the release, but you'll still need to wait a (shorter) time to release it on disc.

This law made Disney release (at least one) movie only on Disney+ in France, bypassing theaters.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by genman »

quacked wrote: post #109
lr1970 wrote: post #99

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> The vaccines turned an extremely dangerous pandemic into a tolerable-if-still-worrisome endemic disease. Effective vaccinations were pretty much limited to the first world countries. Third world countries either did not have access to vaccines or used subpar ones like russia's sputnik. I would like to see a scientific study comparing the duration of pandemic in vaccinated vs non-vaccinated countries. It would be ap…

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/9925440...

It says that most Haitians are young (see the population pyramid for example to get an idea how young) and were not affected much by the virus and they don't care (about their old) that much because they have their own difficulty to stay alive and not starving.

But it for sure affected them https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?location...

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by euroderf »

johnohara wrote: post #65
nsxwolf wrote: post #12

I wonder if "Contagion" was propaganda. It really made me believe that if a SARS pandemic ever happened, a bunch of incredibly competent scientists and government agents would swoop in and save us all. The "Olympus Has Fallen" series also made me believe that if a mob ever stepped foot on the White House lawn, a bunch of auto turrets would pop up and gun them all down. The last few years has shown that the world is r…

"They Live (1988)" has seemed oddly relevant over the years.

Perennially relevant.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by carapace »

doubleg72 wrote: post #141
JPws_Prntr_Fngr wrote: post #134

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Ahead on virtually any measure of material or social success, and they further consolidate their advantages by functioning multi-generationally, which means that no, they don't die quite like everybody else. See for example: the Bush dynasty vs the typical "successful" American family. Do you know anyone benefiting from their great-grandfather's Nazi money, plus their grandfather's CIA/oil cartel black ops + presiden…

Thanks for reminding me to grab the tinfoil hat!

The comment you're replying to is technically correct, but completely misses the point.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by matt-attack »

dylan604 wrote: post #72
maerF0x0 wrote: post #68

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Are they archived somewhere for viewing? I wonder because I was too young to really understand it much and it'd actually help me sort out part of my childhood.

I will not be a part of willfully spreading that information. If you're that interested, it's not hard to find

Which is precisely why I will never link to Greek mythology.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by hulitu »

Fauntleroy wrote: post #128
mrguyorama wrote: post #93

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If china opened up their theaters to normal american movies? Right now they only allow heavily censored and de-westernized movies. Things have to be heavily re-edited for the chinese audience, which isn't strictly bad, but the kind of things that get edited out are unfortunate

It's not so much "de-westernized" as it is "sanitized for The Party". The details really matter here, because when it comes to censorship it's much less about "East vs West" and more about "The Party" vs "all others".

Censorship is bad wheter is done by "the party" or by "democracies" or by companies.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by hulitu »

ttoinou wrote: post #89
goneri wrote: post #58

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Insane? Really? There is nothing wrong with defending your language and the artistic industry. They've got also some similar quotas for the song in French on the radio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubon_Law .

Its promoting making bad movies and song though. Let the world compete

> Its promoting making bad movies and song though. Let the world compete

You should see Holywood movies. /s

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by JPws_Prntr_Fngr »

carapace wrote: post #156
doubleg72 wrote: post #141

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Thanks for reminding me to grab the tinfoil hat!

The comment you're replying to is technically correct, but completely misses the point.

You would have had to make a cogent point for me to have missed it.
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