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The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by nashashmi »

runjake wrote: post #40
nsxwolf wrote: post #12

I wonder if "Contagion" was propaganda. It really made me believe that if a SARS pandemic ever happened, a bunch of incredibly competent scientists and government agents would swoop in and save us all. The "Olympus Has Fallen" series also made me believe that if a mob ever stepped foot on the White House lawn, a bunch of auto turrets would pop up and gun them all down. The last few years has shown that the world is r…

> the world is run by a bunch of jokers, no different than me Your (our) lack of audacity is the only difference.

This is actually the difference between a hacker trying to save the world and someone on his rear end complaining about how the world is.

When I learned this at the age of 20 that I am an adult now and no one can say any longer I am too young, my persona shifted from "tell me what to do" to a "i already know what to do but go ahead and tell me why i shouldn't"

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by dylan604 »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #68
dylan604 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In those same groups that made those VHS tapes, there's a theory on the name Hollywood itself. The wand that Merlin used to cast spells was made from holly. This was a core part of their evidence that the movie industry is meant to keep the populace under the spell of their illusions, or some such logic Sadly, I have way too much familiarity with these VHS tapes and 'zines and radio programs. Once the internet took o…

Are they archived somewhere for viewing? I wonder because I was too young to really understand it much and it'd actually help me sort out part of my childhood.

I will not be a part of willfully spreading that information. If you're that interested, it's not hard to find

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by seer »

Of course they did, I’m kinda surprised this is news. However the ongoing invasion of ukraine kinda showed everybody that western nations are not just “duped” into following USA, they actually want it - its an alinement of values not of convenience.

Read a very good analysis of this from the acoup blog - https://acoup.blog/2023/07/07/collections-the-status-quo-coa...

Which kinda suggest that things would have moved in a similar direction even without the efforts of USA to shape public opinion.

And to be fair the way they went about it in europe was incredibly conscience, given the position of power they had.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by [deleted] »

goneri wrote: post #58
Dig1t wrote: post #16

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Wow that's insane. If China did that same thing today, we would be up in arms.

Insane? Really? There is nothing wrong with defending your language and the artistic industry. They've got also some similar quotas for the song in French on the radio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubon_Law .

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Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by cobertos »

> The military has written policies on what it approves and disapproves. It disapproves depictions of failures and crimes, which eliminates much of reality. It rejects films about veteran suicide, racism in the military, sexual harassment and assault in the military

Regardless of the articles truth related to the military, I do think Hollywood _in general_ has a problem depicting failure, crime, relationships, intimacy, and other complex topics with any basis in reality.

Black and white approval/disapproval policies only make this worse by throwing out subtleties in the interplay between some of these topics.

The problem though is how it imparts a warped view on the viewer. We value the themes learned (sometimes not _a lot_ of value, but enough) but assigning _any_ value to them is dangerous because they are so far away from true lived experience. We're always only given a quick, simplistic overview of things causing us to Dunning-Kruger so many concepts causing us to reinforce societal norms we wouldn't have otherwise.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by wongarsu »

Dig1t wrote: post #16
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #7

"The loan was followed in 1948 by a free grant of $2.3 billion from the Marshall Plan, with no repayment. In exchange, French cinemas would replace the numerical quota with a "screen quota". This meant that French cinemas were required to show French-made films for four weeks out of every thirteen and leave the other nine weeks of every quarter open to free competition, namely from American films.[5]" https://en.wiki…

Wow that's insane. If China did that same thing today, we would be up in arms.

Up in arms against the French protectionism for their second-largest industry or the American "bribe" to relax it, in order to benefit their own industry and better spread their ideology?

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by Fervicus »

nsxwolf wrote: post #12

I wonder if "Contagion" was propaganda. It really made me believe that if a SARS pandemic ever happened, a bunch of incredibly competent scientists and government agents would swoop in and save us all. The "Olympus Has Fallen" series also made me believe that if a mob ever stepped foot on the White House lawn, a bunch of auto turrets would pop up and gun them all down. The last few years has shown that the world is r…

> the world is run by a bunch of jokers

That's what they'd like you to believe. They know exactly what they are doing.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by maerF0x0 »

dylan604 wrote: post #72
maerF0x0 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they archived somewhere for viewing? I wonder because I was too young to really understand it much and it'd actually help me sort out part of my childhood.

I will not be a part of willfully spreading that information. If you're that interested, it's not hard to find

Yeah to be clear I do not see it as "Information" as in factual accounts, but more like "information" like these kinds of movies existed, those people made such claims (perhaps without evidence). Kind of like a police report can say "So and so alleges X" .

Anyways if they're not hard to find I'll have to dig some more.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by nsxwolf »

ceejayoz wrote: post #63
nsxwolf wrote: post #57

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The inaccurate part of the movie is that all that stuff worked. In real life, what "ended" the pandemic was a combination of mother nature and the human willingness to accept a lost cause and move on.

And an effective vaccine, as far as death and severe illness is concerned. https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-p... > The findings, based on data across 2,558 counties in 48 US states, show that counties with high vaccine coverage had a more than 80% reduction in death rates compared with largely unvaccinated counties.

Definitely a big win, but 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death, when the hope had been much closer to preventing virtually all deaths. Those are not pandemic ending numbers, certainly not to those who espouse a zero COVID strategy.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Post by dylan604 »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #78
dylan604 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will not be a part of willfully spreading that information. If you're that interested, it's not hard to find

Yeah to be clear I do not see it as "Information" as in factual accounts, but more like "information" like these kinds of movies existed, those people made such claims (perhaps without evidence). Kind of like a police report can say "So and so alleges X" . Anyways if they're not hard to find I'll have to dig some more.

honestly, it's called Reddit
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