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Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by steelframe »

sbierwagen wrote: post #51
anonporridge wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Winter isn't a legit excuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

I've been a bicycle commuter for 20 years. According to Strava I've logged 800 miles so far this year. And when snow is on the ground, I drive.

I used to do it that way. But then I got narrow studded tires. They cut through the snow down to the surface and then grip it if it's icy.

Admittedly not the cheapest type of tire around. Last I checked a good brand name was going for $175 new. I found a "used once" set on eBay for a lot less.

Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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ekianjo wrote: post #66
anonporridge wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Winter isn't a legit excuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

> Winter isn't a legit excuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU when you are 80 years old and frail you'll have to bike too? I do love people who comment by assuming everyone is going to be forever in top health to bike.

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Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by steelframe »

ekianjo wrote: post #66
anonporridge wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Winter isn't a legit excuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

> Winter isn't a legit excuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU when you are 80 years old and frail you'll have to bike too? I do love people who comment by assuming everyone is going to be forever in top health to bike.

The last time I visited Amsterdam, I was surprised by how old a lot of the riders were.

That said, when I am pushing 80 years old and if I have health issues, I can imagine that I would want an e-trike. That sort of vehicle solves for the issues of stamina and balance.

I don't know that I would ever consider traveling on a micro mobility device to be something I "have" to do. If I ever get to the point that I really can't do it regardless of equipment, I imagine I would feel a sense of loss.

Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by 8note »

vinni2 wrote: post #25
anonporridge wrote: post #17

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Winter isn't a legit excuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

Norway is not Netherlands. Try biking in -20 C and go shopping for a family on a bike. Where I live bike paths are not regularly cleared they can get icy and dangerous. Public transport is the way to go. Biking can complement when and where possible. I say this as a person who commutes to work with bike everyday.

If that's the video I'm thinking of, it's referencing Finland, where people bike all year because the bicycle infrastructure is well maintained.

Try driving in -20 on unmaintained roads, and you'll find the same thing as your current statement about biking. The temperature is largely unrelated to the infrastructure's useability

Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by Fricken »

Kretinsky wrote: post #61
anonporridge wrote: post #29

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If you watched the video I linked, you would find every point you just made here dismantled.

I cycled to work for 3 years in Paris. Cycling on fresh snow isn't so dangerous, but on ice it is as you won't be able to brake. Also, cycling by -20°c is a very uncomfortable experience and increases a lot your chances to die if you fall and pass out. Last, cycling, especially in winter, is good if you're able-bodied, but it leaves out people with disabilities, which makes a sizable amount of the population if you t…

-20°C is plenty comfortable to ride if you know how to dress for the weather.

Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by CameronNemo »

candiddevmike wrote: post #24
nologic01 wrote: post #6

There is a very clear flow chart * Walk Else * Take Bicycle Else * Take Electric Bike or Fixed Track Public Transport Else * Use Electric Automobile or Bus Else * Use Fossil Fuel Automobile or Airplane Subsidies, incentives etc must align with this flowchart. EV is seen as a savior for economies and urban structures that are not viable to start with

I'd imagine there should be a few more bullet points somehow between automobile and airplane: - Carpool - Bus - Train

Is train not fixed track public transport? And a carpool is still an automobile, just not a personal one.

Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by devoutsalsa »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #45
SoftTalker wrote: post #39

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Yes, it's amazing how bike advocates view the world as a homogenous place. Where I live it's 90 degrees or higher, and humid in the summer, and can be sub-zero in the winter. It's also quite hilly -- flat and level riding is the exception. I'm not riding a bike any substantial distance in those conditions, regardless of paths or lanes.

This isn't a problem with biking in Finland in the winter. Bike lanes are plowed and/or compacted multiple times a day during heavy snowfall. Albeit it isn't really that hilly but more than weather, the main constraint is having a city willing to actually maintain biking infrastructure.

In heavily biked areas, is Finland mostly flat?

Re: Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

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Post by metal_am »

all2 wrote: post #9
anonporridge wrote: post #2

Fantastic news! EVs already have escape velocity in Norway to replace ICE cars, and incentivizing more walking and cycling not only promotes more efficient modes of short distance travel, but makes the population healthier. Over reliance on cars kills us slowly via lifestyle degradation.

How are the EV battery cells handling the cold? I know from personal experience that a cold battery has much reduced capacity.

They’re usually actively heated/cooled
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