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Post by FormerBandmate »

mushbino wrote: post #118
fouc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unknown supply chain attacks. Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China? My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.

Opinions like this are largely from new cold war propaganda, but also projection. The US spys on everyone everywhere. PRISM for example. Pegasus being another.

Pegasus isn’t American.

Also, China has the capability to spy on everyone and their government is morally worse so of course they are. Social credit, concentration camps, etc

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Post by manuelabeledo »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #115
manuelabeledo wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global version and carries no warranty, meaning imported. You can find all sorts of weird imported stuff in Amazon and NewEgg from third party sellers. Still not legal for US companies to distribute Huawei phones, though.

Global version and carries no warranty, meaning imported. Obviously they are imported, that's the point. They are imported Chinese phones. Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones. There is a ban on Huawei telecom equipment, and a ban on selling tech to Huawei, but show me where phones are banned.

> Obviously they are imported, that's the point.

"Imported" here only means that they crossed the border, not that they are being lawfully distributed in the US.

> Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones.

Not true. Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones.

> ... show me where phones are banned.

Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart? Or from a telecom? AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile?

Huawei and ZTE have also both been banned from getting FCC licenses. You could definitely buy a Huawei phone in the US, but it wouldn't be licensed by the FCC.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #122
WillPostForFood wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global version and carries no warranty, meaning imported. Obviously they are imported, that's the point. They are imported Chinese phones. Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones. There is a ban on Huawei telecom equipment, and a ban on selling tech to Huawei, but show me where phones are banned.

> Obviously they are imported, that's the point. "Imported" here only means that they crossed the border, not that they are being lawfully distributed in the US. > Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones. Not true. Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones. > ... show me where phones are banned. Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazo…

>Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazon

yes, I already shared the links.

https://www.amazon.com/HUAWEI-P60-Pro-MNA-LX9-Unlocked/dp/B0...

>Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones.

It is a distinction without a difference. I buy on Amazon, I pay on Amazon. They have a complicated supply chain with third party sellers, but it doesn't make them immune from import bans.

>Huawei and ZTE have also both been banned from getting FCC licenses.

Yes, that is true, but yet to see any citation of an ban on imports, sale, or use.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #123
manuelabeledo wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obviously they are imported, that's the point. "Imported" here only means that they crossed the border, not that they are being lawfully distributed in the US. > Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones. Not true. Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones. > ... show me where phones are banned. Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazo…

>Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazon yes, I already shared the links. https://www.amazon.com/HUAWEI-P60-Pro-MNA-LX9-Unlocked/dp/B0... >Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones. It is a distinction without a difference. I buy on Amazon, I pay on Amazon. They have a complicated supply chain with third party sellers, but it doesn't make them immune from import bans. >Hu…

> It is a distinction without a difference. I buy on Amazon, I pay on Amazon. They have a complicated supply chain with third party sellers, but it doesn't make them immune from import bans.

Amazon third party sellers work like Ebay.

You are suggesting that when you buy something off Ebay, it is Ebay the one selling you the stuff, which is clearly not true.

You could find things on Amazon that aren't licensed to be sold in the US. That doesn't make them suddenly "legal".

> Yes, that is true, but yet to see any citation of an ban on imports, sale, or use.

If they cannot get a FCC license, they cannot legally distribute or sell their phones in US soil. That's just FCC rules [0]

But I'm honestly not sure what you are trying to prove here.

For example, I recently bought a Japanese Sony gadget on Ebay. It has Bluetooth. It definitely does not have a FCC sticker, nor has been licensed by the FCC. I was able to buy it, but Sony is not allowed to sell it in the US.

Does the fact that I bought it from an US website, mean that Sony is effectively selling this gadget in the US? Of course not, that's ridiculous.

[0] https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/areas/equipment-authorizatio....

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Post by fooker »

l33t7332273 wrote: post #120
fooker wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence for this?

I’ve reached the limit of my personal experiences that I will be sharing. But, if you don’t know anyone in the offensive security space and still want to get some general feelings, perhaps you can start by looking into things like “Tesla CAN bus security,” “Tesla infotainment security,” and “Tesla NFC fob security.” Plus, here’s a heuristic for why they would have horrible security: they a are poorly built product wh…

"I wish you would use your expertise to share some knowledge instead of just shutting down the conversation."

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Post by halJordan »

fouc wrote: post #57
manuelabeledo wrote: post #50

This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.

> unknown supply chain attacks. Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China? My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.

That makes no sense. The Chinese don't need to hack their people, let alone their own government workers, to find out what they are saying. It what world does govt compliance worker A need to literally hack govt busybee 1 to figure out if busybee 1 is work on their govt machine?!

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Post by aliyfarah »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #124
WillPostForFood wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazon yes, I already shared the links. https://www.amazon.com/HUAWEI-P60-Pro-MNA-LX9-Unlocked/dp/B0... >Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones. It is a distinction without a difference. I buy on Amazon, I pay on Amazon. They have a complicated supply chain with third party sellers, but it doesn't make them immune from import bans. >Hu…

> It is a distinction without a difference. I buy on Amazon, I pay on Amazon. They have a complicated supply chain with third party sellers, but it doesn't make them immune from import bans. Amazon third party sellers work like Ebay. You are suggesting that when you buy something off Ebay, it is Ebay the one selling you the stuff, which is clearly not true. You could find things on Amazon that aren't licensed to be s…

I’m getting second hand embarrassment watching you try win an argument you lost decisively 3 replies ago.

Your comment: “Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.”

You were dead wrong. Just admit it, it’s not personal.

“Does the fact that I bought it from an US website, mean that Sony is effectively selling this gadget in the US? Of course not, that's ridiculous.”

You can’t be this naive. This is 2023 not 2001. Sanctioned companies selling through distributors has been around since sanctions. US laws have explicit rules around this and companies facilitating are themselves subject to sanctions.

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Post by halJordan »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #50

This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.

This restriction also comes on top (like July) of the recent kaspersky/Russian govt hack (called operation triangulation by kasp) where it is alleged that kaspersky's enterprise network was hacked after someone hacked their workers' iPhones and they puvoted to the enterprise network after the workers connected their iPhones to the work wifi.

It's not a hard breadcrumb trail to follow and i am also aghast at so many HN posters pontificating so strongly about nonsense

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Post by thebruce87m »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #87
Terretta wrote: post #77

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> I don't see any EU, Canadian or Australian designed smart-phones, Office365, Google, Chat-GPT, AWS, I can buy reaching critical mass. ... EU, Canada, and the rest of the west are lacking in world dominating SW companies and rely exclusively on the US, which the US can always use as leverage. Reached critical mass, or even world-dominating: Nokia, RIM, Figma, Skype, Spotify, Hetzner > the US dominates ... by buying…

>Reached critical mass, or even world-dominating: Nokia, RIM, Figma, Skype, Spotify, Hetzner Not even close. All of those are meh in terms of market cap and have plenty of competition making them easily replaceable by US alternatives. The likes of Apple, Nvidia, Office365, Google, are irreplaceable in the EU, and they could buy all of those companies if they wanted to.

Arm powers a lot of the devices from these companies
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