What percentage were cancelled due to the huge delays?
I cancelled mine. I was told I couldn't get a refund until they were all shipped. So finally I can get my $750 back!
Good luck unless you get a lawyer involved.
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#32Why do they keep getting more expensive? $1299??
Because suckers continue to pay. I have not paid that for my lifetime total of smart phones. Sure, my phone is out of date and some lesser stats. But for half the performance (which used to be called great performance at one time) I pay 5% the price.
the librem isn't really about great performance though, it's about specialization/niche use cases. it also doesn't benefit from economies of scale nearly as much
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#33Why do they keep getting more expensive? $1299??
Sad reflection of the realities of manufacturing, I suspect. They won’t ever achieve the kind of scale you’d need to make it cheaper. IMO it is what it is. Especially when you consider the hardware kill switches etc this is a niche product that the right small audience will pay $1.2k for.
I am just going with a Fairphone 5 and if the need arises pull out the module. Cheaper, more performance, repairable and if you really wanted you could probably even fit microswitches.
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#34Why do they keep getting more expensive? $1299??
Sad reflection of the realities of manufacturing, I suspect. They won’t ever achieve the kind of scale you’d need to make it cheaper. IMO it is what it is. Especially when you consider the hardware kill switches etc this is a niche product that the right small audience will pay $1.2k for.
With labor costs skyrocketing across the globe (for good reason) I sometimes wonder how long it will be until we get "flat-pack" electronics, i.e. where things come largely disassembled and you must put it together before using. Framework is kinda heading in this direction with laptops.
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#35> Purism is the first to release a truly convergent operating system, beating Apple, Google, and Microsoft to this goal by years. I guess we're discounting Samsung and their Dex engine, then?
The use of "beating" implies that there was a competition, and indirectly that this "convergent" attribute is somehow worthwhile.
Which isn't demonstrated, so you might want to address that...
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was $700 two years ago and has almost doubled. I have no issue with a $1300 phone (I own one) but generally tech things get cheaper as time passes.
There's the USA edition and the standard edition. AFAIK it's the US-manufactured one that's so expensive, they're also short of parts AFAIK.
The USA edition is/was over $2000
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#37That's one way of saying you have a demand shortage.
I believe the context here is that they have been very delayed in shipping orders and customers that requested refunds were being put off. I think this is trying to signal that those troubles with production are behind them.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably because in the USA people aren't as willing to work for peanuts as people in the PRC?
Well, people in the PRC aren’t really working for peanuts nowadays either. They’re not making US/EU wages, but they ain’t working for free, either. China has been doing its own outsourcing of cheap labor to places like Vietnam. Labor is nowhere near the only factor that makes Chinese sources cheaper. It’s the ecosystem. There’s an entire industry that can do every possible thing, and they’re doing it all the time, so…
>Well, people in the PRC aren’t really working for peanuts nowadays either. They’re not making US/EU wages, but they ain’t working for free, either.
Mate, forget about chinese wages being livable as an argument.
First and foremost, US/EU workers aren't working in factories which have suicide nets on them, that alone shroud tell you everything.
Secondly, workers in the US have it so good that they don't even want to work in semiconductor factories of TSMC (the better paid kind of skilled factories with weight on your resume), let alone consumer electronic factories where you're a disposable cog, least ones which need suicide nets to keep you from killing yourself after your 12h shift and living in a shipping container village.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sad reflection of the realities of manufacturing, I suspect. They won’t ever achieve the kind of scale you’d need to make it cheaper. IMO it is what it is. Especially when you consider the hardware kill switches etc this is a niche product that the right small audience will pay $1.2k for.
With labor costs skyrocketing across the globe (for good reason) I sometimes wonder how long it will be until we get "flat-pack" electronics, i.e. where things come largely disassembled and you must put it together before using. Framework is kinda heading in this direction with laptops.
The final assembly, while it doesn't cost nothing, isn't that expensive.
What does cost more is final testing, to make sure all the components work together. It is cheaper to do that well at the end of the assembly process before starting packaging, than to deal with a high rate of returns. The testing done throughout the manufacturing process is a significant cost.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sad reflection of the realities of manufacturing, I suspect. They won’t ever achieve the kind of scale you’d need to make it cheaper. IMO it is what it is. Especially when you consider the hardware kill switches etc this is a niche product that the right small audience will pay $1.2k for.
With labor costs skyrocketing across the globe (for good reason) I sometimes wonder how long it will be until we get "flat-pack" electronics, i.e. where things come largely disassembled and you must put it together before using. Framework is kinda heading in this direction with laptops.
Flat-pack furniture is not an efficiency due to the cost of assembly, but shipping, as furniture is mostly air. You will note that most flat-pack furniture designs somehow fit incredibly efficiently into cubic prisms that themselves fit suspiciously conveniently into standard shipping containers.
By contrast, consider a modern smartphone. There is very little volume to be won by shipping it as parts, and there is greatly increased risk of customer dissatisfaction due to customers-at-large being clumsy, untrained, unequipped and unaccustomed to the assembly task. Just look at how popular it is to complain about assembling Ikea furniture, compare/contrast with e.g. PC assembly, and then scale that up...