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Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe that was after Kaspersky reported on the targeted vuln/backdoor attack If that is true, what a bizarre reaction. Apple wasn't behind this, and, if anything, it highlighted Kaspersky shortcomings.

Kaspersky exposed apple devices are backdoored and cannot be trusted. These devices are essentially black boxes controlled by adversary that cannot be properly audited. Apple obviously cooperates with Western govts providing/injecting backdoors, so it's prudent to ban them. What "kaspersky shortcomings" are you talking about?

> Kaspersky exposed apple devices are backdoored and cannot be trusted.

iPhones are of course not invulnerable to malware, no one is claiming that. Android devices aren't either.

What Kaspersky "exposed" was that their corporate devices were compromised. They claimed victory afterwards when they found the fact. But the truth is that they inadvertently allowed malware to roam free in their corporate devices for several years, which is quite telling, especially for a security company.

Them shifting the blame to Apple is like blaming Cisco for a corporate network hack, when your personnel left a device exposed to the internet with no appropriate protections in place. Yeah, a Meraki could be as much of a "black box" as a mobile device.

I get that Kaspersky has no business with Apple, but the whole saga was bizarrely unprofessional from their part.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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post #57

This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.

> unknown supply chain attacks. Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China? My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.

The hardware is made in China but not the software. So it probably depends on how much oversight of the software the CCP has, and this decision implies not enough for their comfort.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.

Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies. There are bans on Huawei telecom equipment, but their phones, tablets, smartwatches, etc are not banned and are readily available: https://www.newegg.com/Huawei/BrandStore/ID-15388 https://www.amazon.com/stores/Huawei/page/34F6034C-1D34-4913...

Huawei servers continue to be as popular as ever as well.

edit: It's of course not Huawei, it's a totally new and different company which bought Huawei's server business a week after being founded, silly me.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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I mean, seems fair to have a huge US company with an history of giving most of their data to their government to not be used.

Apple has a history of giving most of their data to the US government? Did you mean to say “Apple has had to follow federal law when handed subpoena requests”?

> “Apple has had to follow federal law when handed subpoena requests”

That's no less of a problem for non-friendly governments

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.

Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies. There are bans on Huawei telecom equipment, but their phones, tablets, smartwatches, etc are not banned and are readily available: https://www.newegg.com/Huawei/BrandStore/ID-15388 https://www.amazon.com/stores/Huawei/page/34F6034C-1D34-4913...

These are older devices, and most of them are sold out already.

That T3 10 is now over 6 years old, for example.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shame that a superpower like China can't call out the United States on surveillance without it being hypocrisy. We need more countries objecting to unfair power-alignment like FIVE EYES, XKeyscore and PRISM. Unfortunately, most of them would rather build their own version rather than hold the US to a higher standard. Hopeless "violence begets violence" situations like this underscore how disastrous a full expo…

All major powers spy on everyone. It is a prerequisite for being a major power, and it always has been.

All major powers spy on everyone

Can't we just say all nation states? It certainly isn't just major powers that have spy agencies.

E.g.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_intelligence_agencies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Agency_(South_A...

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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post #17

Wouldn't be surprised if this is because the phones are TOO secure. Maybe they want them to use phones with built-in back-doors so they can keep an eye on them.

Not really, it's just tit-for-tat because Western governments banned use of phones from Chinese companies such as Huawei. It's the same game we've been playing for years.

Then they should have banned iPhone sales across China, as the US did with Huawei.

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post #6

They’ve banned Teslas from government compounds and big state-owned companies for a few years. There are even occasional reports of Tesla cars being diverted from certain roads for reasons the police wouldn’t disclose. Edit: It could be retaliations against US sanctions. But there’s a difference: All these kinds of orders are made without any written documents. These are just part of the general decline of the rule o…

>"But there’s a difference: All these kinds of orders are made without any written documents."

And you know this how? Maybe the document do exist but are classified. As for rule of law - try civil forfeiture for example. It is but a pure theft that goes unpunished.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Expect more and more of this. The ultimate prize are technology standards, right now the West dominates that and China is actively trying to dethrone them. The world will sort itself in two camps again, Cold War is back functionally.

>the West dominates You mean the US dominates. I don't see any EU, Canadian or Australian designed smart-phones, Office365, Google, Chat-GPT, AWS, I can buy reaching critical mass. Edit: INB4 the chip hipsters who found out about ASML during the pandemic chip shortage, chime in with "but muh ASML is European!". Yes, it is European(Dutch), it's also based on EUV tech licensed from the US, and has EUV light sources at…

Ahh yes, good point it is mostly the US, but US allies do own a lot of IP and supply chain capability, particularly Japan and SK.

I don’t agree China will have the advantage though, it will certainly develop its own standards and mandate it internally but it remains to be seen if it will be able to export those standards, it tried with BRI and that did not work, but that was more manufacturing oriented. It’ll try to tech again but it will be a tough sell. It simply does not have the goodwill required. Will see gains in Russia, Pakistan and Cambodia, some countries in Africa but that’s about it.

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