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Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by marcosdumay »

owenmarshall wrote: post #230
marcosdumay wrote: post #225

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It shouldn't be expensive to make an I2C smart-switch that allows you to place as many buttons as you want on a single set of 3 wires (or 4 if you want a simpler circuit).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus Modern cars do it with two wires.

Hum, it's terminated with resistors on both sides, so the boxes need power. That makes it 4 wires.

I imagine there's very little difference on cost between 3 or 4 wires. But the number of nodes described is not really compatible with making each button its own node.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by gottorf »

abecedarius wrote: post #388
Workaccount2 wrote: post #293

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It's a fair point though. The markups are a function of demand and are totally normal and expected market behavior. People who complain about it are almost exclusively people who don't understand how markets work. It's tiring listening to uneducated people constantly coming through and complaining. If dealers weren't marking up the price, there would be no car at all available for sale. People mistakenly think that i…

Isn't it illegal in many/most states for a manufacturer to sell direct, not through a dealership? I read something like that when Tesla was starting to sell cars. It didn't sound like a "true" free market.

> It didn't sound like a "true" free market.

Very few things are in a "true" free market. But considering cars are (or should be, at any rate) substitutable goods, for most people, it should be pretty close to a free market.

I live in a small city (population under 200k), and there's five Ford dealerships, five Chevy, four Toyota, etc. So it's certainly not a free market by any definition if you want a very specific car, but if you want a certain category of car, the forces of competition will work for you.

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Post by bigbacaloa »

tiffanyh wrote: post #354
cpursley wrote: post #143

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The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

Do you ever use your mobile phone while driving? Call, talk, text, maps, etc. How is it any more dangerous than how a typical person uses their phone today while driving? For safety: all common systems are accessible on most steering wheels (e.g. radio, etc) so that your hands never have to leave the steering wheel.

Not more dangerous than clearly dangerous is a low bar.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by hedora »

codedokode wrote: post #364
glogla wrote: post #259

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Given the Wikipedia page about eSIM says: The European Commission selected the eUICC format for its in-vehicle emergency call service, known as eCall, in 2012.[23] All new car models in the EU must have one by 2018 to instantly connect the car to emergency services in case of an accident.[24] I'd say they have been around since then. edit: here is a great talk about how eSIMs work from last CCC https://media.ccc.de/v…

Shouldn't emergency services be accessible without a SIM? On the other hand, using a SIM allows government to track car's movement.

The cell modem has a separate unique identifier, so the government should be able to track sim-free devices.

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Post by scott_w »

sergiosgc wrote: post #419
liminalsunset wrote: post #392

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The primary issue with the touch screen in the Model 3 in my opinion, is actually the climate controls. You could argue that these aren't necessary to adjust while driving because the car is supposed to do it automatically, and/or you can use the admittedly terrible voice command system, but things like the recirculate button (I know I'm not the only one that uses it, my friend keeps tapping the physical button in hi…

> It is an extreme frustration to have to look at the screen to click the slider to turn them [wipers] off. No need. Push the button on the left stalk, press the left scroll wheel to the left for a couple of seconds. > Recently a mechanism to press and hold the steering wheel scrollwheel to activate a menu was added, but it's just impossible to use without looking I have mine configured for climate control temperatur…

> No need. Push the button on the left stalk, press the left scroll wheel to the left for a couple of seconds.

Wait until you see how easy it is in older cars…

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Post by dangus »

EricE wrote: post #390
dangus wrote: post #338

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American carbrains can’t imagine a society that doesn’t depend on huge ass vehicles for daily transportation. A reminder that driving isn’t a right, it’s a privilege that you have to get a license to do, and many other places that aren’t America don’t design their cities and even their small towns [1] around the idea that you must own a vehicle. Congestion taxes and pollution rules tend to affect city centers where p…

"A reminder that driving isn’t a right" It is in America. Our constitution constrains the government, it doesn't grant us rights - we already have them as human beings. I can't imagine living under a cynical government that has that equation flipped but obviously you've been conditioned to accept it.

That’s just plain factually incorrect. You aren’t allowed to drive unless you pass a written and driving test in all 50 states, with only a few exceptions like agricultural use.

The default state of your rights in the USA is that you are not allowed to drive. It is effectively an additive privilege that you have to go out of your way to obtain.

The constitution doesn’t restrict the government’s ability to regulate the operation of a motor vehicle, and all 50 states have enacted laws that effectively make driving a privilege. You’re even required to buy insurance from a private company in order to maintain that privilege.

The fact that driving was legal by constitutional default before the passage of traffic laws isn’t relevant to the present day legal status quo.

I would also like to request that right wing libertarian weirdos stop equating every mundane, benign, and sensible societal rule to draconian conditioning by the big bad evil government. Please.

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Post by hedora »

jancsika wrote: post #400
geitir wrote: post #363

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In many states in the US if your car lives long enough you get rewarded with exemption from emissions requirements!

Reworded slightly: If you're poor enough, the US government won't punish you for relying on an older car.

No: If you're rich enough to restore a car that you bought from someone that was poor enough to still be driving it with stock components, then the US won't punish you.

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Post by Scoring6931 »

EricE wrote: post #407

Just wait until insurance companies demand access to your cars telemetry for either a "discount" or even to insure you at all. I'm seriously thinking of stockpiling a few extra used "dumb" cars. This is beyond nuts.

Already a thing in the UK, where the cheapest insurance options require the installation of a telemetry black box in the car.

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Post by masklinn »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #196
stanski wrote: post #168

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I assume it's a cost thing. Slapping a tablet everywhere and letting the code monkeys figure it out is probably cheaper than making various knobs and buttons. I dread the day I have to get a new car. Even Subaru, who are usually behind the curve, have gone all touch screen.

> I assume it's a cost thing. Is it though? It's not like they have to reinvent the button each time. Buttons that last a decade or three have already been designed.

Buttons are not just design, it’s more parts and assembly. On the high end it’s also a “less clean” look, unless you’re high enough for truly luxurious buttons and knobs’ designs and materials to be justifiable.

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Post by spacedcowboy »

tiffanyh wrote: post #354
cpursley wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

Do you ever use your mobile phone while driving? Call, talk, text, maps, etc. How is it any more dangerous than how a typical person uses their phone today while driving? For safety: all common systems are accessible on most steering wheels (e.g. radio, etc) so that your hands never have to leave the steering wheel.

Who in their right mind uses a phone when driving ?
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