This type of authoritarian tracking is extremely egregious but the good news is that we are hackers and can detect the RF and other signals with detectors and disable them if we really want to. At any rate, it's a sad state of affairs.
Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla
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I was riding in a friend’s Tesla where the screen crashed while we were on the road. Just a black screen for some amount of time and had zero insight into the state of the car. That just does not happen with physical controls.
Sure it does. Gauges are almost all driven electrically these days and not directly connected to a speed readout mechanically. If you have a problem with the gauge cluster, it's very common to have gauges malfunction. Sometimes they read incorrectly. Sometimes they read 0. If it's one of those multifunction displays, you could just have that display "crash" too.
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#383I don't understand. This seems clearly illegal to have policies like this that claim consent by sitting in the car but the "user" has never been presented the policy in a way to consent to!
Is this just a good lawsuit away from being thrown out but no one has done it? Is there some particularly fucked up legal precedent that makes this tenuously legally stable?
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Manuals suck in traffic. Americans sit in a lot of traffic. And I say this as somebody who loves manuals (I’m an amateur race car driver).
this was always a key point from people who drove automatics but claimed to like manuals. i daily drove a manual in some of the worst traffic the US has to offer. but so what, guess what else sucks in traffic? Automatics!! when you're stuck in traffic, everything sucks, so you might as well drive something thats enjoyable the rest of the time.
Automatics suck less. Why am I constantly trying to change gears of the transmission system?
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#385The biggest problem I have is tracking that the government has access to. We're in a situation where the government knows everywhere your phone has been, and everywhere your car has been. I doubt we're far from the gov't being able to de-activate your car at will also. I would like to have privacy from corporations, but I really wish we'd keep the focus on privacy from our governments, since they have such ultimate p…
The problem is that the private companies tracking you can be compelled (if they don't voluntarily) give up your tracking data to the government.
Stopping government tracking starts with stopping private industry tracking, as the latter is happy to give it away/sell the data or can be forced to by law.
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The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.
Do you ever use your mobile phone while driving? Call, talk, text, maps, etc. How is it any more dangerous than how a typical person uses their phone today while driving? For safety: all common systems are accessible on most steering wheels (e.g. radio, etc) so that your hands never have to leave the steering wheel.
No, where I live it is illegal to use a phone for most of those (without hands-free methods). When occasionally I need a map with directions, I load it up and set the phone in place before leaving, so I never need to touch it. Sometimes I ask my phone ("Hey Google") to read my texts if I am on a long drive. But other than that, I never use it. This is the ideal (and again, the law in many places).
I take your point in that the built-in touchscreen is no worse for people who already text and drive, but we absolutely should be aiming for better. I certainly don't want to be forced to use a touchscreen for changing the AC settings, defogging the windshield, etc...
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#387A lot of people are making comments about defeating the telemetry, but it's not just about selling ads this time. This is about actual surveillance and (eventually) control, and the governments of the world will make this a requirement, and make circumvention of it as illegal as copyright infringement. In the US, the government will throw up it's hands and say it's not us; it's the "free" market, and this must be wha…
just wait until insurance companies demand access to your telemetry or they triple your rates.
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Unfortunately lots of people are happy to pay the markups. Some subreddits, including /r/rav4prime , will ban you for speaking negatively about dealer markups or those who pay them. Here's their hilariously condescendingly worded rule 4: > No demonstrations of economic illiteracy. No negativity regarding markups. You are encouraged to post about current prices and markups and your dealership experiences, but please D…
It's a fair point though. The markups are a function of demand and are totally normal and expected market behavior. People who complain about it are almost exclusively people who don't understand how markets work. It's tiring listening to uneducated people constantly coming through and complaining. If dealers weren't marking up the price, there would be no car at all available for sale. People mistakenly think that i…
Isn't it illegal in many/most states for a manufacturer to sell direct, not through a dealership? I read something like that when Tesla was starting to sell cars. It didn't sound like a "true" free market.
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I own a VW ID.4. For reasons I wanted to reverse engineer some of the API. After authenticating to the account tied to my car, the landing page ( https://www.vw.com/en/owners.html ) makes calls to a lot of analytics trackers. I'll just list what pi-hole defaults block: analytics.tiktok.com sp.analytics.yahoo.com googletagmanger.com universal.iperceptions.com cdn4.userzoom.com snap.licdn.com secure-ds.serving-sys.com…
Just to be clear, these are trackers from the web page , not trackers called by your car, correct? I'm never surprised by the web trackers (which my ad blocker generally filters too), but 3rd-party trackers called from devices/vehicles seems more insidious. Although the car / IoT companies can just as easily outsource the data once they have it anyway.
Yes, this is from the web page. Where I can manage my vehicle (see VIN, etc) and has my home address, dealer information, etc.
I would be interested to hear of a way to intercept internet traffic between the vehicle and the internet.
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Except when you live in a city where they start to limit and ban transit of older cars, to force people transitioning into lower emission models, or public transit. Like in Spain (through rules ultimately coming from Europe) there is a class of vehicles which are gradually being kicked out (banned from crossing certain very ample boundaries around the city): gasoline cars made before 2001, and diesel powered cars mad…
American carbrains can’t imagine a society that doesn’t depend on huge ass vehicles for daily transportation. A reminder that driving isn’t a right, it’s a privilege that you have to get a license to do, and many other places that aren’t America don’t design their cities and even their small towns [1] around the idea that you must own a vehicle. Congestion taxes and pollution rules tend to affect city centers where p…
"A reminder that driving isn’t a right"
It is in America. Our constitution constrains the government, it doesn't grant us rights - we already have them as human beings. I can't imagine living under a cynical government that has that equation flipped but obviously you've been conditioned to accept it.