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Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by catlover76 »

nologic01 wrote: post #126

Once you normalize this state of affairs in one digital sector (social media, search, whatever), you've normalized it, period. You can't say: X and Y can milk this, but Z and W cannot. Everybody will want to get a piece of action from such a lucrative scheme. In turn once the managing elites of all these formerly non-tech sectors that get increasingly digitized (mobility, finance, insurance, health etc) get satisfied…

> You can't say: X and Y can milk this, but Z and W cannot.

It is totally doable for the government to regulate social media differently from automobiles--it's happening right now!

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by [deleted] »

tristor wrote: post #147
cpursley wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

I hate them so much. Otherwise great cars are completely ruined by touchscreens. What was wrong with tactile knobs you could operate one handed without looking? You’re driving for fuck’s sake. It’s why things like the GR Corolla are nearly miraculous in 2023, it even comes stick shift only.

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Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by wahnfrieden »

ranger_danger wrote: post #160
tristor wrote: post #132

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

FWIW Mazda's current lineup allows you to turn off telemetry while still allowing emergency calls, and they still make non-touchscreen models.

Including govt wiretapping of those sensors?

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by yardie »

Sander_Marechal wrote: post #15
nhance wrote: post #2

I've got a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I've been searching for where the sim card is for the built in cellular modem so I can rip it out. It astounds me that there aren't more people interested in cutting off the constant telemetry and to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the car refuses to operate correctly when I do figure out where it's at and pull it.

There probably isn't a physical SIM card anymore. It probably just has an eSIM.

In 2018? I doubt car manufacturers can move that fast. Apple didn't implement eSIM until 2018 for the iPhone XS. No way an auto maker has it before consumer electronics maker.

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Post by [deleted] »

nologic01 wrote: post #126

Once you normalize this state of affairs in one digital sector (social media, search, whatever), you've normalized it, period. You can't say: X and Y can milk this, but Z and W cannot. Everybody will want to get a piece of action from such a lucrative scheme. In turn once the managing elites of all these formerly non-tech sectors that get increasingly digitized (mobility, finance, insurance, health etc) get satisfied…

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Larrikin wrote: post #48
9g3890fj2 wrote: post #9

I connect my phone to my 2015 Nissan's bluetooth, but just for music. GrapheneOS lets me prevent its access to my contacts, call history, active calls, text messages - anything but music audio. To me (but not the less tech literate, I know), if you're connecting your car to your phone, it's obvious that it is able to gather things about you. That said, because I don't know much about cars, I don't know if the car is…

Don't Android and iOS by default prevent bluetooth from accessing your contacts and calls. I know on Android you have to click a permission popup when connecting to bluetooth to allow contact and call access

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Post by ghaff »

devilbunny wrote: post #159
tristor wrote: post #132

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

I don't know about their markups, but Mazda has been pulling out touchscreens and putting back buttons for audio and climate control purposes. Not sure how far it's made it through their models.

A 2022 Honda Passport has physical buttons for pretty much everything. The only thing I use the touchscreen for is as a display for maps from CarPlay (and the backup camera). So reliance on the touchscreen for things like environmental controls isn't universal even in new cars.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by guestbest »

cpursley wrote: post #143
tristor wrote: post #132

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

I think they put in the touchscreens because it makes internationalization easier. No physical labels and OTA updates. Personally, I don’t think digital internationalization is good for the driver since it appeals to the lowest common denominator of interface while adding another expensive component to replace in case of damage.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by rolobio »

tristor wrote: post #147
cpursley wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

I hate them so much. Otherwise great cars are completely ruined by touchscreens. What was wrong with tactile knobs you could operate one handed without looking? You’re driving for fuck’s sake. It’s why things like the GR Corolla are nearly miraculous in 2023, it even comes stick shift only.

Touch-screens can be updated later, meaning you can release the broken version first, then get it working after the money starts rolling in. Knobs would require they get it right the first time. The horror!

I will never buy a car that forces me to navigate a menu to turn on my windshield wipers...

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