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Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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The hell! You got a 2015 Nissan with Android Auto? I got a 2017 Infiniti that some trims did even come with Bluetooth, needless to say none had carplay or Android Auto. Damn you Nissan. But I bought that car because its something for me to tinker with and I plan to replace that proprietary head until with an after one. And also use an Arduino 4 inch LCD to tap into the Can bus to show Hvac settings.

doesn't say android auto, just the nissan bluetooth. it has voice commands and can access your contacts if you let it, so you hit the talk button on the steering wheel and say "Call Bob D" and it will call, etc. It's kind of jank. same thing with reading out received text messages while driving. No android auto required.

I don't think android auto even works on graphene anyway.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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I connect my phone to my 2015 Nissan's bluetooth, but just for music. GrapheneOS lets me prevent its access to my contacts, call history, active calls, text messages - anything but music audio. To me (but not the less tech literate, I know), if you're connecting your car to your phone, it's obvious that it is able to gather things about you. That said, because I don't know much about cars, I don't know if the car is…

The hell! You got a 2015 Nissan with Android Auto? I got a 2017 Infiniti that some trims did even come with Bluetooth, needless to say none had carplay or Android Auto. Damn you Nissan. But I bought that car because its something for me to tinker with and I plan to replace that proprietary head until with an after one. And also use an Arduino 4 inch LCD to tap into the Can bus to show Hvac settings.

Just regular Bluetooth, Android Auto and CarPlay are no-gos for me. I want less connectivity, not more.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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I've got a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I've been searching for where the sim card is for the built in cellular modem so I can rip it out. It astounds me that there aren't more people interested in cutting off the constant telemetry and to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the car refuses to operate correctly when I do figure out where it's at and pull it.

> it wouldn't surprise me if the car refuses to operate correctly I know of a car (Renault in EU) whose SIM access is broken somehow that still works fine, just can't call home. No guarantee that every car will handle it gracefully, but at least some regions don't seem to mandate any enforcement if that module happens to "break".

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Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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I've got a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I've been searching for where the sim card is for the built in cellular modem so I can rip it out. It astounds me that there aren't more people interested in cutting off the constant telemetry and to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the car refuses to operate correctly when I do figure out where it's at and pull it.

I am pretty sure that is (or soon will be) illegal in EU. Car needs to be able to call emergency, if accident is detected.

Wait, new cars in EU are expected to have cellular connectivity?

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Just make sure you do something, like use a resistor to ground the antenna lead, because I did that, and would still get connectivity at times. EG if the cell tower was very close. Was fine after I used a resistor to turn that power into mild heat.

I wonder if one could build a metal cap, shape and color matched to the sharkfin, that goes over the antenna and couples to the roof of the car. Would that be enough to make a small Faraday cage over the antenna? Would leakage though the mounting hole still be enough to let a signal through?

You could maybe just stuff the inside of the sharkfin full of tinfoil.

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That's one reason I'm saving up for an EV conversion lol. I just need a car to go from A -> B. I don't need self driving, constant updates, a blackbox, cameras everywhere, etc. Just an EV, with a good drive train, decent range, etc. It's the only reason I'm still using a dino car. Legislation for privacy will needs a huge overhaul in preference to the rights of individuals rather than corporations.

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The biggest problem I have is tracking that the government has access to. We're in a situation where the government knows everywhere your phone has been, and everywhere your car has been. I doubt we're far from the gov't being able to de-activate your car at will also. I would like to have privacy from corporations, but I really wish we'd keep the focus on privacy from our governments, since they have such ultimate p…

Kill switches are now required for cars produced after 2026. https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bil... It is for your safety. ;)

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

I don't know about their markups, but Mazda has been pulling out touchscreens and putting back buttons for audio and climate control purposes. Not sure how far it's made it through their models.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

FWIW Mazda's current lineup allows you to turn off telemetry while still allowing emergency calls, and they still make non-touchscreen models.
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