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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by Zigurd »

throwaway914 wrote: post #182
kec wrote: post #103

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How would satellite imagery help at night, during cloudy/stormy weather? What sort of latency does the imagery have? Can commercial imagery even resolve things like painted lane markers, construction detour signage, etc?

Part of the problem is reacting in real-time. The part I'm talking about: Is you can "tell" the car what to expect at this interchange, and still react in real-time to present conditions. You hear all the time about Teslas driving off a ramp or not changing lanes quick enough due to odd paint stripes on the road, and I keep thinking you can see this from space. Why isn't there a database of known "this is a road, thi…

There is such a database, but Tesla relies on camera images for the data while nearly everyone else uses LIDAR to create a 3D model in addition to camera images (which can be mapped onto the 3D point cloud, enhancing their value). Camera-only is a bet-the-company move considering the large slice of Tesla'a valuation based on future robotaxi revenue.

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Post by Zigurd »

baz00 wrote: post #92
jlmorton wrote: post #75

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> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.

Literally the main reasons for the push for self-driving cars are to drive operating costs down for private taxi services by removing humans and to have a marketable feature that can be upsold on luxury vehicles. These are a net negative for society as they drive up unemployment and consumption. It's ego because it's a gold rush revenue source if it plays off and various CEOs have been pushing because while stock pri…

In the US it is very difficult, due to low density, road design, and use patterns, to make transit service, especially bus lines, both economical and pleasant to use at rush hour. AVs can enable surge capacity for bus service, and a mix of vehicle sizes. It can enable smooth transfers, more lines with more stops, and higher frequency of service in a lot of places that have really bad mass transit. Guangzhou already has a few autonomous bus lines. Compared to the cost of a bus, a conservative approach to an AV sensor suite is cheap.

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Post by ForestCritter »

flandish wrote: post #149
ForestCritter wrote: post #142

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says the person who never had to get to work on time across town with public transit...

Says the person who missed the point… would more money in public transportation not help your concern?

no because the logistics simply don't add up to get everybody where they need to be when they need to be there. Most particularly retail and restuarant workers.

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Post by ForestCritter »

sketch242 wrote: post #179
ForestCritter wrote: post #142

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says the person who never had to get to work on time across town with public transit...

I used to commute to Chicago from the suburbs and the train was a much more reliable way to arrive at work on time than driving, where traffic made travel time highly variable.

only very big cities have trains and again they are only convenient if they are going in your direction. I lived in Montreal for six years without a car. I could walk to work in 45 minutes. It would take 1/12 hours to get to work by subway and or bus.

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Post by flandish »

ForestCritter wrote: post #193
flandish wrote: post #149

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Says the person who missed the point… would more money in public transportation not help your concern?

no because the logistics simply don't add up to get everybody where they need to be when they need to be there. Most particularly retail and restuarant workers.

Seems like a planning problem.

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Post by jacquesm »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #169
sebzim4500 wrote: post #159

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That's why the data should be collected by a government department rather than Tesla

How quickly can the governments detect a regression? Weeks or months later? The claim here is that an overnight minor update from v11.4.4 to v11.4.7 caused a significant regression.

That doesn't matter. What matters is that Tesla doesn't get to fudge the record, wipe evidence or misrepresent things.

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Post by cma »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #121
cma wrote: post #112

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Cruise says the ambulance left as soon as the person was loaded and the pedestrian was hit by a human driven car so hard to put 100% of the blame on Cruise. https://ktla.com/news/california/company-refutes-claim-that-...

Assuming Cruise is being truthful, sure. But that's like the fourth attempt that Cruise has made to shift the blame. First it was "there was room", then it was "but the police were also blocking the ambulance in" – ignoring that police on official business generally have reason to park haphazardly. Then it was "only one Cruise vehicle was legitimately stuck, the other moved ASAP". But so far they've shared their vide…

The fire department now says they were wrong:

> An internal San Francisco Fire Department report said a Cruise autonomous vehicle delayed an ambulance from transporting Davis to hospital, contributing to his death.

> Now, the fire chief says the report was inaccurate in a joint statement with the SFMTA in which they call Davis' death "an all-around heartbreaking and tragic incident."

> "The San Francisco Fire Chief has not attributed this pedestrian death to Cruise AVs," the statement said. "The city sends our deepest condolences to [the] family and friends of the victim."

https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/12/muni-bus-killed-san-franci...

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