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Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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It's getting to the point were I am really questioning the characters of people that still work at Google. I mean some of the people implementing and designing this shit must be right here. Is it really just the money?

No offense, but you are questioning google just now? Like... 2012 was the year to question Google about shady practices. Like bundling Chrome with other software and installing it without user agreements. But it's just an example among many.

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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Is this is a privacy win for anyone using a non-Chrome/ium browser? Given the majority of the population use Chrome, will most websites stop relying on cookies and instead use the Topics API? Though I suppose cookies will always be a fallback option if the website detects that the browser doesn't support the Topics API...

I think it is a privacy win. Every now and then, probably once every few months, I come across a website on Firefox where I have to disable enhanced tracking protection. If Chrome stops allowing 3rd party cookies then sites will have to be built better and should see fewer problems with the enhanced tracking protection.

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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I have been using Firefox since version 2.x and I never understood what downsides people find with it. I've used chrome and the only difference i saw was annoying pushes from google to log in so that i could be tracked all the time. Otherwise, it shows web pages, what more do you want?

Using Chrome at work and Firefox at home, the only features I missed were low-effort 'translate this page' and extensionless reverse image search. Wise Google have decided to remove the second point by replacing it with terrible Lens. The differences aren't really important any more. Both have converged on similar UIs, both have important privacy extensions, both have password managers and payment storage. My only ca…

You can use Mozilla's offline translate extension - it doesn't support many languages but it works.

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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This argument lacks for the average consumer. Heavily. Do you compile every update of Firefox yourself (and this assumes that you have read every line of code that changed during updates)? Especially when on Windows or macOS, you just download the version that is distributed by mozilla.org on their website. There is no guarantee that they're using the actual sources to build. They could just as well add in a little p…

I download the version from my distribution's package manager, which is compiled by independent volunteers.

And of course, you check every commit for malicious code and newly introduced backdoors, right? Right?

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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Or you could... use any other chromium based browser that doesn't do this. Might I suggest Vivaldi? It's nice, lots of built in features that you probably are running extensions for currently.

Please, do not use Vivaldi or any other closed source, secret codebase browser. Can you imagine signing into your bank with a closed source browser.

> Please, do not use Vivaldi or any other closed source, secret codebase browser.

This is misleading, Vivaldi source code may not be released under an OSI License [1] but it is publicly accessible for audit at [2].

Whilst you wont be able to create OSS derivatives from it, it's definitely not "secret" and fear mongering need not apply to a publicly auditable code-base.

[1] https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-sou...

[2] https://vivaldi.com/source/

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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Does Firefox support web apps via PWA APIs yet? That was one of the biggest issues I had with it on desktop - it removes the need for Electron and Mozilla just dropped the plans.

No and it doesn't matter. Electron is for lazy developers that cannot master Web widgets available for 30 years on mainstream OSes. Or step out of their comfort zone into pure native applications, or background services making use of default browser for UI. If people like myself have been able to master multiple native since decades, and also use such approaches during the dotcom boom, it is hardly an excuse for youn…

I don't understand your first sentence - the if "Electron is for lazy developers", then you absolutely want Firefox to implement PWA support so webapps don't need it anymore?

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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Yeah, please don't compare ads with actual murdering, raping and civilan massacres.

I don't think they're comparing the merits of either, but rather how can humans can convince themselves they're doing the right thing when it's obvious to us that they aren't. "no one thinks himself a villain, and few make decisions they think are wrong".

I'm still convinced they can find a more suitable and less gross comparison. You're seeing an Ad, not having your family shot in the head.

Some perspective please.

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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It is fair to criticize Mozilla's operations. It's not fair to spew FUD on the best browser alternative that currently exists - your comment implies that Firefox isn't any better than Chrome. That is simply not true from a user-hostileness perspective, which is the context. Financials are another matter, and if they are really so problematic then what you should do is either propose a better alternative, or even work…

My comment didn't "imply" anything. I stated that Firefox may be coming to an end. Then I stated the facts that back up my belief: (1) Mozilla has over a billion dollars; and (2) they are reducing the amount of money allocated to Firefox development. I simply have no idea how you can possibly draw any other conclusion. It's not "FUD" either. If you can refute the article I posted, I will stop posting it and never spe…

> Because I care about Firefox and want to see it kill Chrome

You're actively working against what you say you care about if you post a negative reply to a comment suggesting Firefox as alternative to Chrome. In a thread about Chrome's latest user-hostile feature of the week.

Anyway, you brought attention to the issue that you care about going on at Mozilla. Let's hope that there is a way to improving that, simultaneously to promoting Firefox as a perfectly-good alternative to Chrome - today.

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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Or, stick to Firefox. In the long run I want a browser that has a solid community or base behind it, with a mostly-good record (no point chasing perfection here) of privacy and security. The Mozilla Foundation has done a good but not stellar job (remember 1.1.1.1?). I also don't want to change browsers because someday Vivaldi - hypothetically - gets acquired by Evil Corp, or has some vulnerability that remains unpatc…

Firefox, the browser that recently started literally showing ad spam on the new tab page on mobile? I'm sure they're a lot better.

There's plenty to criticize of Mozilla, but yes, they're a lot better, or a lot less bad if you want.

Are you really suggesting there isn't a huge difference between an ad and sharing your browsing history with advertisers?

I see this happen all the time, specially in politics or politics-adjacent topics. Just because no option is perfect, they become equal in people's mind. Two things can be both imperfect, and one be way worse than the other.

Google Chrome is on a whole different league when it comes to abusing your privacy. Mozilla Firefox ain't perfect, but it's way better.

Re: Google Chrome pushes browser history-based ad targeting

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It's getting to the point were I am really questioning the characters of people that still work at Google. I mean some of the people implementing and designing this shit must be right here. Is it really just the money?

>Is it really just the money?

They all promote to manager position when there's opportunity, because it pays more.

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