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Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#91
I think what is needed is different service tiers. The basic delivery is only to nearby or outer door and leaves food there. Next up they wait you to come and pick it up. And pay couple euros more still and it is to the door.

Could be only way to make it sustainable in long run.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#92
post #42

US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand, I fully empathize with the delivery drivers (particularly if the rules / policy of the app is NOT doorstep delivery) and where theft is a real issue. However, as a (US) consumer, where the apps DO allow us to request doorstep delivery, I think there is no issue with consumers…

I think this is exactly the problem. The expectations should be clear on both sides. If I am expecting delivery to my streetfront I will be happy to go down and get it. If I am expecting delivery to my apartment door I will be annoyed if they refuse to do that. If people want different things there could be an option in the app to decide what you want (with an appropriate price difference).

> The expectations should be clear on both sides. If I am expecting delivery to my streetfront I will be happy to go down and get it.

That's great, and apparently you are not the kind of app user that the deliverers are up upset about.

> "According to Rappi and iFood, which control over 90% of Brazil’s app delivery market, drivers do not need to make doorstep deliveries. On paper, representatives from both companies told Rest of World, their rules already require delivery workers to only go as far as a street-level point of contact, from which customers are asked to collect their meals."

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#93
post #89

One of my principles is that you shouldn't screw with the people who deliver your packages. And this goes double if they're delivering food. If the man calls and says come down to get your food, your options at that point are a) come down to get your food, or b) refuse delivery. Anything else is out of scope here, _including_ the notion that the delivery person was supposed to deliver upstairs and is refusing. While…

So how are people with mobility issues or medical quarantine situations supposed to get their food if there isn’t a way to reliably arrange for delivery people to bring it to (at least outside) their door? And yes, both of these circumstances have happened to me at times within the last few years, though fortunately not so far in a permanent way. Other people do have such limitations permanently.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#94
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly the problem. The expectations should be clear on both sides. If I am expecting delivery to my streetfront I will be happy to go down and get it. If I am expecting delivery to my apartment door I will be annoyed if they refuse to do that. If people want different things there could be an option in the app to decide what you want (with an appropriate price difference).

> The expectations should be clear on both sides. If I am expecting delivery to my streetfront I will be happy to go down and get it. That's great, and apparently you are not the kind of app user that the deliverers are up upset about. > "According to Rappi and iFood, which control over 90% of Brazil’s app delivery market, drivers do not need to make doorstep deliveries. On paper, representatives from both companies…

Sounds like they should add a toggle in the app to get that extra service for extra payment.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#95
post #19

The market decides. Food delivery most places mean to the door of the apartment, not the apartment complex entrance. This is terrible for food delivery agents, since it slashes the efficiency of most deliveries. I always run downstairs, since I am humbled that anyone would cook and bring me food. But as long as this is not the norm, food delivery agents are at the bottom of the food chain. In the past, this was a job…

I live with chronic sciatica. Some days, I'm feeling well enough for a walk in the park. Other days, I can barely limp to my kitchen or bathroom. Modern food delivery has been amazing for those kinds of days. Whenever drivers don't actually dash to my door as requested, it turns a simple meal into an agonizing journey.

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Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#96
post #44
post #15

It seems like "upstairs" delivery should be a paid option and be explicit in the ordering and delivery apps.

This is the real solution, but nobody wants to admit the costs associated with this. Heckers, the companies could use "machine learning" (read: simple SQL scripts) to determine how much time going up to your apartment "costs" and charge you based on such. Then buildings with faster elevators would be more valuable!

Considering same person probably orders multiple times. You could just tell drivers to mark at their phone when they have for example parked. And then from there calculate average time it takes for them to be back at their cars. Intrusive to them, but could be fair metric.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point do consumers become responsible for the choices made by businesses that they patronize? I expect the working conditions and pay of your delivery driver exceeds that of the person who made your pants. Don't you also owe those workers a fair shake?

While I do not have any control over whether the place I buy my jeans from uses overworked children from Bangladesh, I also have the very basic human empathy needed to know you shouldn't complain to said children when your Shein order isn't next day delivery. By all means, blast Uber, blast , but passing on the blame onto the guy that barely makes minimum wage and destroys his car/bike in the process is downright mor…

If you feel guilt for paying a Uber eats driver to go up a couple flights of stairs but don't feel any for employing children to produce textiles because "I can't do anything about it", I promise you that your moral compass isn't working correctly.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#98
post #79
post #19

The market decides. Food delivery most places mean to the door of the apartment, not the apartment complex entrance. This is terrible for food delivery agents, since it slashes the efficiency of most deliveries. I always run downstairs, since I am humbled that anyone would cook and bring me food. But as long as this is not the norm, food delivery agents are at the bottom of the food chain. In the past, this was a job…

Where I live I saw a big shift in delivery people in the late aughts. I live in a city in the northeast (not NYC). These days even most of the apps like DoorDash are still using a restaurant's own delivery drivers. I lived in a high-rise with elevators. From about 2000 until the late aughts it was like clockwork. They'd ring my buzzer, I'd buzz them in, and they'd stop at my door. In the late aughts it started to shi…

I mean - after expenses, they're getting paid like $8 per hour. It sucks, sure. But what level of service do you expect for non-livable wages?

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#99
When I was a little boy, we didn't get food delivered to our cubes by Gammas. Instead, we could leave our cubes anytime we wanted. We'd go to places called "grocery stores" to buy food wasn't even cooked yet! Then we'd take our "groceries" back to our cube and cooked it ourself. Sometimes, we'd even invite the people in nearby cubes to eat it with us.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

#100
post #66

I've been ordering food less, cause I'm trying to get in shape. But here in Brazil we have the delivers that work for the app (ifood) and the delivers that work for the restaurant. The ones who works for the restaurant always are more pleasant and never complained about going up two flights of stairs to deliver my food. I think they get a bigger cut (if not all of it) of the delivery cost.

Or they are paid hourly or are regular employees, and taking longer won't affect their income at all. Maybe boss will yell a bit if they take too long.
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