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Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by matesz »

_kbh_ wrote: post #50
matesz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look at what he wrote on Russian invasion of Ukraine :) Just let yourself think about what his counterparts in US were saying. That Russia would collapse and Putin's oppresionist government is going to be overthrown by protestors? Don't you see that what we get is Putin's approval rating a historic high? And nobody in US wants to be seen as "weak on Russia". Only now there is more people who start saying clearly th…

> Only now there is more people who start saying clearly that the war is not going to stop, it is going to last number of years, and impratant bit, Ukraine is going to be completely destroyed in the process. And what Ukrainian people are going to get in return? EU membership? Western valus? Freedom? Are these things not worth fighting for?. If you don't fight for your freedom then what would you fight for?.

There are a few things worth fighting for for sure. And maybe in the long term current war is even better for Ukraine as a nation. Who knows really?

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#52

Post by ajuc »

matesz wrote: post #49
ajuc wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chomsky has a pretty obvious pro-russian bias. He's a "tankie" basically :) Look at what he wrote on Russian invasion of Ukraine :) As for Russia-US symmetrism - it's bullshit. Soviets did mass ethnic cleansing in 20th century to the level that USA only ever aproached during the conquest of the wild west. And Russia had its own wild east - which was conquered just as brutally as the American wild west and which is st…

> Look at what he wrote on Russian invasion of Ukraine :) Just let yourself think about what his counterparts in US were saying. That Russia would collapse and Putin's oppresionist government is going to be overthrown by protestors? Don't you see that what we get is Putin's approval rating a historic high? And nobody in US wants to be seen as "weak on Russia". Only now there is more people who start saying clearly th…

If Ukraine was accepted into NATO in 2008 then none of this would happen. Chomsky was against that, i.e. his views are worsening the situation.

> Just let yourself think about what his counterparts in US were saying

Timothy Snyder for example? He's saying that Ukraine should be admited to NATO and EU, and that Russia needs to lose this war. What's wrong with that?

> Only now there is more people who start saying clearly that the war is not going to stop

All wars stop.

> Ukraine is going to be completely destroyed in the process

Already is. If you let Russia settle for peace on their conditions - they will rebuild and invade Ukraine again. Like they already did 2 times. So it's better to deal with that now than to give them more time to harm Ukraine.

> "The Art of Diplomacy" by Francois de Callieres, about 17th century european politics, which is talking about how to do international relations

There were no nukes, NATO, EU, UN. No relevance whatsoever.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#53

Post by ajuc »

matesz wrote: post #51
_kbh_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only now there is more people who start saying clearly that the war is not going to stop, it is going to last number of years, and impratant bit, Ukraine is going to be completely destroyed in the process. And what Ukrainian people are going to get in return? EU membership? Western valus? Freedom? Are these things not worth fighting for?. If you don't fight for your freedom then what would you fight for?.

There are a few things worth fighting for for sure. And maybe in the long term current war is even better for Ukraine as a nation. Who knows really?

Ukrainians know. It's their lives, their country and their decisions. And Chomsky is telling them to stop fighting and surrender to colonization so that his political views can stay the same :)

Fucking tankies man..

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#54

Post by _kbh_ »

ajuc wrote: post #52
matesz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look at what he wrote on Russian invasion of Ukraine :) Just let yourself think about what his counterparts in US were saying. That Russia would collapse and Putin's oppresionist government is going to be overthrown by protestors? Don't you see that what we get is Putin's approval rating a historic high? And nobody in US wants to be seen as "weak on Russia". Only now there is more people who start saying clearly th…

If Ukraine was accepted into NATO in 2008 then none of this would happen. Chomsky was against that, i.e. his views are worsening the situation. > Just let yourself think about what his counterparts in US were saying Timothy Snyder for example? He's saying that Ukraine should be admited to NATO and EU, and that Russia needs to lose this war. What's wrong with that? > Only now there is more people who start saying clea…

> If Ukraine was accepted into NATO in 2008 then none of this would happen. Chomsky was against that, i.e. his views are worsening the situation.

This isn't the only time that this war could have been averted.

I also believe this war is partly because of the worlds weak response to the initial 2014 invasion, if the response to that was stronger then I think there was a decent chance the 2022 invasion would of never happened.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#55

Post by ajuc »

_kbh_ wrote: post #54
ajuc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Ukraine was accepted into NATO in 2008 then none of this would happen. Chomsky was against that, i.e. his views are worsening the situation. > Just let yourself think about what his counterparts in US were saying Timothy Snyder for example? He's saying that Ukraine should be admited to NATO and EU, and that Russia needs to lose this war. What's wrong with that? > Only now there is more people who start saying clea…

> If Ukraine was accepted into NATO in 2008 then none of this would happen. Chomsky was against that, i.e. his views are worsening the situation. This isn't the only time that this war could have been averted. I also believe this war is partly because of the worlds weak response to the initial 2014 invasion, if the response to that was stronger then I think there was a decent chance the 2022 invasion would of never h…

Again Chomsky and other tankies were arguing we should appease Russia :)

How many times can you be wrong before you realize your assumptions are wrong?

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#56

Post by consilient »

ajuc wrote: post #55
_kbh_ wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Ukraine was accepted into NATO in 2008 then none of this would happen. Chomsky was against that, i.e. his views are worsening the situation. This isn't the only time that this war could have been averted. I also believe this war is partly because of the worlds weak response to the initial 2014 invasion, if the response to that was stronger then I think there was a decent chance the 2022 invasion would of never h…

Again Chomsky and other tankies were arguing we should appease Russia :) How many times can you be wrong before you realize your assumptions are wrong?

> Again Chomsky and other tankies

Chomsky is literally an anarchist.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#57

Post by consilient »

ChatGTP wrote: post #44
baq wrote: post #15

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That... wasn't what the GP post was about?

No but they said they were "surprised HN bought it", does HN have some type of special level of skepticism built into it that no where else online does? I personally don't think it does.

> does HN have some type of special level of skepticism built into it that no where else online does?

Obviously not, but there's no general factor of wrongness lurking behind it. HN has a crippling case of engineer's syndrome, but why should that have anything to do with Polish nationalism?

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

#58

Post by ajuc »

consilient wrote: post #56
ajuc wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again Chomsky and other tankies were arguing we should appease Russia :) How many times can you be wrong before you realize your assumptions are wrong?

> Again Chomsky and other tankies Chomsky is literally an anarchist.

Anarchist that supports a dictatorship :)

But it's ok, because it's a dictatorship far away. Other people will be opressed.

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