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We have some people of the road in Geneva. I'm not sure if they're Yenish or not but the usually arrive at the beginning of Spring and leave at the end of the Summer.
Where do they go in winter? That being said, a nomadic lifestyle sounds so interesting and romantic. Too bad most nomads are heavily discriminated against.
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Where do they go in winter? That being said, a nomadic lifestyle sounds so interesting and romantic. Too bad most nomads are heavily discriminated against.
For a while I really wanted to be a Bedouin. In the end it just didn’t seem to be realistic. I ended up getting a job like everyone else. It just didn’t seem right.
It could have worked. Travelers normally suck all support and benefits government provides and live relatively care free life.
Reminds me a bit of the Cagot people who lived around the border region between France and Spain. These people where hated, discriminated and prosecuted for more then a thousand years while people had forgotten what they ever did to deserve this. Already in the 16th century the Pope published a edict saying let bygones-be-bygones and forgave them for whatever perceived crime. Historians don't believe they where ever…
This is an interesting article on Cagots from the 1880s: https://zenodo.org/record/2119746/files/article.pdf
> The Kingdom of Prussia in 1842 introduced a law forcing municipalities to provide social welfare to permanent residents without citizenship. As a consequence, there were attempts to prevent Yenish people from taking permanent residence.[6] Recently established settlements of Yenish, Sinti, and Roma, dubbed "gypsy colonies" (Zigeunerkolonien), were discouraged and attempts were made to incite the settlers to move aw…
Well, it's less that the law led to difficulties and more that the law ignited pre-existing bigotry, similar to some poor white Americans being opposed to welfare out of biases against poor black Americans thanks to a successful (implicitly racial) hysteria about "welfare queens". The Prussians were "fine"[0] with travelers as long as they were second-class citizens who didn't have access to welfare. As soon as citiz…
Let me reiterate it, because it is crucial: liberal policy of pretending that the problem doesn't exist is what created all those garbage political organization. Which, interestingly, are often co-financed by Russia.
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Well, it's less that the law led to difficulties and more that the law ignited pre-existing bigotry, similar to some poor white Americans being opposed to welfare out of biases against poor black Americans thanks to a successful (implicitly racial) hysteria about "welfare queens". The Prussians were "fine"[0] with travelers as long as they were second-class citizens who didn't have access to welfare. As soon as citiz…
The crime statistics are real, though. Failing to recognize the problem created the likes of Alternative für Deutschland, Marine Le Pen, Brexit. Let me reiterate it, because it is crucial: liberal policy of pretending that the problem doesn't exist is what created all those garbage political organization. Which, interestingly, are often co-financed by Russia.
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For a while I really wanted to be a Bedouin. In the end it just didn’t seem to be realistic. I ended up getting a job like everyone else. It just didn’t seem right.
> For a while I really wanted to be a Bedouin. In the end it just didn’t seem to be realistic. I ended up getting a job like everyone else. It just didn’t seem right. It could have worked. Travelers normally suck all support and benefits government provides and live relatively care free life.
I am so tired of the "social welfare queen" trope paraded around to argue against the poor and otherwise perceived minorities.
Under notable people it says Rafael van der Vaart a known former Dutch football player.
> He grew up on a trailer park, with him belonging to a Dutch cultural minority called the Woonwagenbewoners, with them sharing ties with Irish Travellers and the Yenish people, and often pretended to be Romário while playing football.
Yenish are only mentioned as "sharing ties" though.
There are two sources provided: one article in De Volkskrant, and one in The Mirror. However, both links are dead now, but available in the Web Archive. The one in The Mirror only very vaguely supports the claim:
> 2) He enjoyed a Romany lifestyle as a child and used to pretend to be Brazilian ace Romario in kick-abouts on the caravan park.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100901205748/http://www.mirror...
The cited article in De Volkskrant, a credible Dutch newspaper, is quite fuzzy as well, essentially saying the van der Vaart grew up at the trailer park "until he and his family moved to Beverwijk".
http://web.archive.org/web/20131005045224/https://www.volksk...
Van der Vaart's Dutch Wikipedia page (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_van_der_Vaart) does not mention any of this.
There does not seem any support for van der Vaart's Yenish origin at all. I wonder about the origins and intentions of the claim...
I'd imagine before the 20th century the situation would be different than now.
Many comments here are along the lines of: "we have ... gypsies ... here too and they are called ...". I recently visited a museum in (Kingston upon) Hull - 'ull. The Streetlife one. A wall board managed to describe most of the wandering tribes hereabouts (UK and Éire), where they hail from, their modus operandi, a brief history and how to refer to them with a fair chance of not causing offence. I had no idea that Ro…
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> For a while I really wanted to be a Bedouin. In the end it just didn’t seem to be realistic. I ended up getting a job like everyone else. It just didn’t seem right. It could have worked. Travelers normally suck all support and benefits government provides and live relatively care free life.
Have evwr seen how Beduins, and other nomads, live? Hardly comparable to our comfortable life style as full time employees im developed industrial nations... I am so tired of the "social welfare queen" trope paraded around to argue against the poor and otherwise perceived minorities.