Reminds me a bit of the Cagot people who lived around the border region between France and Spain. These people where hated, discriminated and prosecuted for more then a thousand years while people had forgotten what they ever did to deserve this. Already in the 16th century the Pope published a edict saying let bygones-be-bygones and forgave them for whatever perceived crime. Historians don't believe they where ever…
I didn't know you actually had to "do" something to deserve to be discriminated against and persecuted. Generally you just need to "be"
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#12We have some people of the road in Geneva. I'm not sure if they're Yenish or not but the usually arrive at the beginning of Spring and leave at the end of the Summer.
Where do they go in winter? That being said, a nomadic lifestyle sounds so interesting and romantic. Too bad most nomads are heavily discriminated against.
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#13https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
We had a talk about the Romani, the discrimination against them, and some other interesting topics.
I mentioned to him that, as a teenager, I had read a book titled Lavengro, a fictional work about a gypsy, by George Borrow.
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#17Reminds me a bit of the Cagot people who lived around the border region between France and Spain. These people where hated, discriminated and prosecuted for more then a thousand years while people had forgotten what they ever did to deserve this. Already in the 16th century the Pope published a edict saying let bygones-be-bygones and forgave them for whatever perceived crime. Historians don't believe they where ever…
I didn't know you actually had to "do" something to deserve to be discriminated against and persecuted. Generally you just need to "be"
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#18We have some people of the road in Geneva. I'm not sure if they're Yenish or not but the usually arrive at the beginning of Spring and leave at the end of the Summer.
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I didn't know you actually had to "do" something to deserve to be discriminated against and persecuted. Generally you just need to "be"
Many times throughout history it seems tied more to a refusal to conform to the consensus reality of the ruling class, e.g., not worshipping some emperor as a god, not having the same theology, questioning “settled” narratives, etc.
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#20I recently visited a museum in (Kingston upon) Hull - 'ull. The Streetlife one. A wall board managed to describe most of the wandering tribes hereabouts (UK and Éire), where they hail from, their modus operandi, a brief history and how to refer to them with a fair chance of not causing offence. I had no idea that Roma and Romany were not the same thing ... well it hadn't crossed my bows.
That is probably most people's approach - largely indifference and a fair dose of what is effectively racism - passive but nonetheless ... racist.
There are several TV series here eg "My big fat gypsy wedding" and some serious documentaries that are educating us and at least shining a light on travellers and travelling societies. The interplay between staid society and travelling societies has always been a tricky one. I think the world would be a much poorer place without travellers.
My house overlooks a park - its on the side of a valley. Our garden has a 40' drop to the lawn, with a zig zag path down. An urban stream (Dodham Brook, Yeovil, Somerset, UK) runs along the bottom. On the other side of the stream is the QEII meadow - about an acre of flatish ground, with a cafe at one end.
For a couple of years a bunch of travellers have rocked up on the meadow - Irish. I think. Their boy trotted his pony and trap up the path of the old railway line (long gone - cheers Mr Beaching) for a few quid. They repaired some cars and sat around a fire, long into the night. Funny thing is that late night noise went down. My new neighbours simply fitted in. All they left was some scorch marks on the grass, which was better than the twats who allowed a barbie to set fire to the meadow. There are some concrete BBQ stands less than 50m away.