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John le Carré's 'The Spy Who Came in from the Cold' is the ultimate spy novel

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I think it is because the novel has entered the subconscious of spy fiction and so many things have been inspired by it intentionally or not that it doesn't seem as fresh as it once did. But at the time, the notion that intelligence work is a dirty game and that everybody follows basically the same rulebook was pretty novel and even shocking. These days this is just generally accepted as true -- even the recent James…

I'm really curious if there's a name for this phenomenon - being unimpressed by something that was a transformative work at the time because of how much it transformed the genre or medium in its image. I often think of The Matrix being a good example of this, both in how it defined the sort of "the world is a computer" trope, but also just action movies for a while. It's still good, but some of the impressiveness of…

I think it's the fact that this is so ubiquitous and normal that no-one has bothered with a name for it yet, except maybe “history”. For my parent's generation, Elvis Presley and The Beatles were something new and revolutionary while for me they represent boring establishment. This is just how things go. “Transformative” only ever holds for a specific moment in history. And human history is nothing but those transformations becoming the new normal.

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"The story of The Spy was really a story of loneliness…"

My wife and I just finished watching all of The Americans on Hulu, and this really resonates with me. Somehow, I managed to completely miss the show when it ran from 2013-2018, and was only reminded of its existence after watching and enjoying The Diplomat on Netflix, which also features Keri Russell in a starring role.

The Americans is about pair of deep cover KGB agents living in the United States in the 1980s. It's very loosely based on real events, and it was created by a former CIA agent.

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"The story of The Spy was really a story of loneliness…" My wife and I just finished watching all of The Americans on Hulu, and this really resonates with me. Somehow, I managed to completely miss the show when it ran from 2013-2018, and was only reminded of its existence after watching and enjoying The Diplomat on Netflix, which also features Keri Russell in a starring role. The Americans is about pair of deep cover…

It's maybe one of the 3 best drama series of the last 20 years, and easily one of the 5 best. For a (nonfic) book in the same vein, try The Billion Dollar Spy.

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If you like le Carre, British TV Series "The Sandbaggers" is in a similar vein. I've watched a bunch of episodes on youtube and they are great with a focus on dialog and schemes as opposed to action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhRH76fepKg

Seconded. A series that was low on gloss and high on grunt work and real danger.

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Anyone have any recommendations for other classic spy novels like le Carre’s? I’ve read some Greene and Deighton, which were both mentioned in the article, so I suppose I should revisit those, but would be interested in any other works with a similar scene and setting. One of my favorite le Carre tidbits - apparently in the UK and US versions of “Tinker, Tailor,” a character in one version takes a ferry in Hong Kong,…

Robert Littell’s spy novels up through Vicious Circle are wonderful. He wrote The Company, which has been adapted for the screen.

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I think it is because the novel has entered the subconscious of spy fiction and so many things have been inspired by it intentionally or not that it doesn't seem as fresh as it once did. But at the time, the notion that intelligence work is a dirty game and that everybody follows basically the same rulebook was pretty novel and even shocking. These days this is just generally accepted as true -- even the recent James…

I'm really curious if there's a name for this phenomenon - being unimpressed by something that was a transformative work at the time because of how much it transformed the genre or medium in its image. I often think of The Matrix being a good example of this, both in how it defined the sort of "the world is a computer" trope, but also just action movies for a while. It's still good, but some of the impressiveness of…

I asked my son, who's a keen gamer, if he had ever played RtCW, Doom or Quake. They are 'old and boring' apparently, and far too crude. He's not at all curious about trying out the 'originals'. I guess he's too young to have any nostalgia for them. I understand it though — I didn't have much interest in history at that age either.

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The adaptation of "The Night Manager" is excellent IMO. It's a miniseries of sorts (only 6 episodes), however Hugh Laurie & Tom Hiddleston deliver top-notch performances. It's available on Prime Video and other streaming services in the US.

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I'm really curious if there's a name for this phenomenon - being unimpressed by something that was a transformative work at the time because of how much it transformed the genre or medium in its image. I often think of The Matrix being a good example of this, both in how it defined the sort of "the world is a computer" trope, but also just action movies for a while. It's still good, but some of the impressiveness of…

I read good omens recently, and it seemed full of cliches. I wondered after finishing it, if that's because it came up with a lot of Angel and Demon tropes used in later supernatural stories.

A lot of Pratchett’s writing is tongue-in-cheek parody of genres, of conventions, of cliché’s. Collaborating with Gaiman might have amplified that playfulness for them.
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