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Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by fallous »

GenericDev wrote: post #35

I just want a freaking vertical keyboard. I don't understand why this is so freaking hard to find. Kinesis had the Free Style 2 keyboard[1] that you had to go out of the way to buy a vertical stand with, and it has been my go to keyboard FOR YEARS now because I just can't find any alternatives. I used to use the Kinesis Advantage keyboards, but they mess with my carpal tunnel. As cool as they are the plastic placemen…

Interestingly I bought my mother-in-law a keyboard back in 1997 or so from an early auction site (not ebay) that had a release and dial that would split the keyboard and raise it in the center so you could pick any angle from 0-degrees to about 60 degrees vertical. As a transcriptionist she had dealt with carpal tunnel for years and that keyboard greatly reduced her pain. Sadly, I think it died in the early 2000s and I could never find a proper replacement.

It might have been a Keytronic, but I've slept since then.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

dzogchen wrote: post #34

Does anyone know a EU reseller? I would like to buy one, but I would like to have the option to send it back if I don't like it.

They don't and won't do reselling due to the complexity of the item. No middlemen. Steve said it best on the Discord.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by bartvk »

no_wizard wrote: post #15

I know I need one. I have an Alice layout keyboard (think Microsoft ergonomic keyboard) and it helps but I know a fully ergonomic keyboard that I can tent is in my future eventually. Anyone have tips on getting up to speed with a new keyboard? My productivity drops dramatically every time I’ve tried it. Last time with a Kinesis FreeStyle and I just wasn’t adjusting fast enough. I’ll take tips on how to adopt an ergon…

Isn't the Kinesis Freestyle almost exactly like a normal keyboard, except you can move the halves apart if you wish? What is there to adjust?

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by yyt88 »

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...?

I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simple exercises regularly in breaks and evaluate? Obviously the standard Apple keyboard has terrible ergonomics, but something slightly more reasonable could already do the trick..

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by microtonal »

least wrote: post #9
jseliger wrote: post #4

I was looking forward to the Kinesis Advantage360 Pro, since it solves some of the issues with the Advantage2. It supports three different tenting angles and is a truly split keyboard. However, the Advantage360 Pro was quite a disappointment. The keyboard, which is a hefty 650 Euro, was plagued with Bluetooth issues, the Gateron Brown switches were tiring for me, and Kinesis didn’t improve the thumb cluster. I switch…

The bluetooth issues are sort of resolved with the 3.0 firmware, but the previous firmware versions were pretty awful in scenarios where you turn the keyboards off and the pairing between halves becomes an absolute nightmare. With that being said, while Kinesis' own firmware for their keyboards (SmartSet) has gotten a lot better over the years, it still doesn't really come close to ZMK or QMK. To me the functionality…

Are they solved? I still see a lot of reports of people with issues with ZMK 3 on the 360 Pro. Someone who does switch replacements for the KA2/360 said that there is a design error in the 360 Pro, where on one of the halves the key well flex cable runs through the Bluetooth antenna clearance area. This also explains the high variance: how much the issue affects you depends on how the flex cable happens to be oriented in your unit.

But if the connectivity issues are indeed caused by this, the only real solution is a new hardware revision.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by s4i »

kubov wrote: post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

For an easier learning curve, consider a regular 75% layout split in two. The only keyboard I know of that uses this is Mistel Barocco MD770, which I’ve been using for two years. I’ve swapped the keycaps to DSA ones.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by henrik_w »

bartvk wrote: post #40
henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

It's also my experience that break reminders prevent wrist pain. For macOS, I recommend Time Out. Actively maintained, with all the options you'd want. https://dejal.com/timeout/

I'm using MacBreakZ 5. Simple, but works well for me.

https://www.publicspace.net/MacBreakZ/

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by dharmab »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

It's not either or. I switched to ErgoDox after I broke my wrist years ago. Even with surgery, OT and exercise, regular keyboards don't feel comfortable anymore for more than a few minutes at a time. (I also had to switch my wristwatch to the other hand.)

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by CTDOCodebases »

wesapien wrote: post #23
kubov wrote: post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

I only have two kinds of keyboards: a regular 94 key Mechanical Keyboard and the Glove80. My accuracy/speed is now equal on both for QWERTY after 3 weeks. It is confusing to switch between Colemak-DH back to QWERTY on the same keyboard. I'll fix the Glove80 to Colemak-DH and use QWERTY everywhere else.

This is the way.

I’m doing this with a regular mechanical keyboard and a Cantor Remix. QWERTY on the mechanical and laptops, Colemak-DHm on the Cantor.

The physical context seems to help keep the two separated in my subconscious.

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