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Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by strongly-typed »

sooheon wrote: post #11

There are a lot of touted ergo features: tenting, concave keywell, l/r split, ortho columns, thumb cluster. Of these, the most important IME is the thumb cluster -- giving more work to your thumbs and taking load off your pinkies. This led me to HHKB JP layout for 80/20 ergo benefit without having to carry two unwieldy halves of a keyboard when I want portability. Still use Kinesis Advantage 2 at home, but nothing be…

Same. I’m actually skeptical of some of the claims, particularly in regards to ortholinear/column stagger key arrangements. In particular I feel like this actually makes the layout worse in some situations. For example, consider the `in` bigram in qwerty. It’s one of the most common bigrams in English, and if you switch to most ergo boards, the distance between those keys will _increase_ which will require a bigger stretch for your index and middle finger, and consequently reduce your ergonomics (at least for that bigram).

HHKB JP is very nice in that it has a slightly reduced row stagger, is a single board, and has extra thumb keys which can be remapped to for layers or moving things such as shift or backspace into more comfortable positions.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

kubov wrote: post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

I only have two kinds of keyboards: a regular 94 key Mechanical Keyboard and the Glove80. My accuracy/speed is now equal on both for QWERTY after 3 weeks. It is confusing to switch between Colemak-DH back to QWERTY on the same keyboard. I'll fix the Glove80 to Colemak-DH and use QWERTY everywhere else.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nprateem »

Happy with mine with the 35g pro reds, but the real benefit is just being programmable. It has more keys than I need coming from a ferris, but the extra thumb keys give more options for layers. Also the physical number keys make taking down phone numbers while on the phone easier. ZMK can also be built in a github action which makes tweaking the layout easier. Would recommend.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by rgoulter »

sooheon wrote: post #11

There are a lot of touted ergo features: tenting, concave keywell, l/r split, ortho columns, thumb cluster. Of these, the most important IME is the thumb cluster -- giving more work to your thumbs and taking load off your pinkies. This led me to HHKB JP layout for 80/20 ergo benefit without having to carry two unwieldy halves of a keyboard when I want portability. Still use Kinesis Advantage 2 at home, but nothing be…

It's bizarre to me that the big spacebar remains a standard feature on keyboards. It would be better for the thumbs to be able to use e.g. backspace, enter, escape, tab.

And unlike those other features, there's no downside to making the spacebar smaller. (The only thing I can think of is some people press with their right thumb instead of their left; but, a 2U spacebar would cover that).

(I'd still much rather have a keyboard that's symmetrical and ortho; although I can at least understand that traditional layouts have such a stay that it's only enthusiasts who would use keyboards with these features).

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

no_wizard wrote: post #15

I know I need one. I have an Alice layout keyboard (think Microsoft ergonomic keyboard) and it helps but I know a fully ergonomic keyboard that I can tent is in my future eventually. Anyone have tips on getting up to speed with a new keyboard? My productivity drops dramatically every time I’ve tried it. Last time with a Kinesis FreeStyle and I just wasn’t adjusting fast enough. I’ll take tips on how to adopt an ergon…

Just do it and don't look back. The night I ordered the Glove80, I almost bought an Alice in Amazon but I got the one I really want. Half measures might have given me buyers remorse.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by tehnub »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #14
matthewtse wrote: post #2

I haven't been following ergonomic keyboards for awhile, but went pretty deep a few years ago back when the Dactyl Manuform and Kinesis were the only names in town. So seeing the Glove80, I was excited to see a new "mass-manufactured" entrant in the space, since dactyl manuforms have to be 3d-printed and handwired, thus meaning they're hard to come by and quite expensive. The glove80 looks interesting, however at $40…

Dactyl thumb cluster is not good. Glove80 nailed it and the community is very supportive.

I have a Scylla and a Skeletyl from BastardKb (the site linked above). The Skeletyl is a 3x5 keyboard with three thumb keys each hand, and I love the thumb clusters on it. Works perfectly with Miryoku and each key is very comfortable to press.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by aswinmohanme »

I use the Moonlander with a layout that doesn't deviate much from the standard Mac keyboard. Even though I sacrifice a little bit of single keypress magics that I can do on my Moonlander, it enables me to switch more easily to my laptop keyboard on the go.
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