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Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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This is definitely propaganda comment: eating mushrooms in Russia is never considered as risky.

Is it a sarcasm? We have tens of people dying from mushroom poisoning each year. Usually with stories like "grandma fried some mushrooms, whole family died, dad in coma".

No. I don't say about real statistic date. I say only about people's *perception* about risk.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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post #140

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Is it a sarcasm? We have tens of people dying from mushroom poisoning each year. Usually with stories like "grandma fried some mushrooms, whole family died, dad in coma".

No. I don't say about real statistic date. I say only about people's *perception* about risk.

Ah. Here in Russia there are many things that are not considered risky:

swimming in the ice hole in frozen river

eating like everything from nearby forest

driving without seatbelts

not going to doctor when it hurts

While one most likely will go away with it, these things still can be deadly.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Huh? 77 is not 97.

77 is long past the point at which we usually ask people to retire from safety-critical roles. Even when retirement isn't forced, regular evaluation is strongly encouraged for people that old. For instance, consider this statement from the American College of Surgeons: > Although age-related deterioration varies from individual to individual, gradual decline in overall health, physical dexterity, and cognition genera…

This seems to be a credible source yet it was downvoted, so I upvoted it back.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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> Yeah, after a few years of Reddit, I started calling this kind of thing "internet advice"... ok for a discussion, but often contradictory or wrong And we wonder why ChatGPT sounds confused!

Heh, for me, I've been a little surprised sometimes by how people think ChatGPT is amazing, sure it's great tech, but people seem to be using it for all sorts of stuff and when I try it, I find that it ends up spewing generic nonsense but then I realise, this is the same nonsense I will get by googling very similar topics. Garbage in, Garbage out.

I tried Google Bard. It's hilarious. You ask it a non-trivial question... and it starts to give incorrect or contradictory answers within the same conversation. And if you correct Bard, well it just apologises and says "I am still learning".

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Huh? 77 is not 97.

77 is long past the point at which we usually ask people to retire from safety-critical roles. Even when retirement isn't forced, regular evaluation is strongly encouraged for people that old. For instance, consider this statement from the American College of Surgeons: > Although age-related deterioration varies from individual to individual, gradual decline in overall health, physical dexterity, and cognition genera…

This guy was picking mushrooms, not doing surgery. facepalm

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

Mushrooming is common, poisonings are quite rare, because there is no reason to take mushrooms you don't know - there are enough ones that are clearly good and you can easily throw out anything which is even a little doubtful. Common poisonous ones look very distinct, and you can easily avoid the doubtful ones. And most of poisonous ones won't kill you (though you may wish you were dead for a while). Really bad ones will, but those are widely known and nobody sane would touch them.

I knew many people who regularly collected mushrooms, and did it myself, never heard any cases of fatal poisoning. It's not that it doesn't happen at all, but - especially among people who do it regularly - it's pretty rare and usually happens when people try something "exotic" or buy from untrusted third party.

In this particular case, of course, it's pretty clear shat happened - same thing tgat happened to all thise people falling out of the windows and the same thing that happened to Utkin and Prigozhin. Putin happened.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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At 77 years, he certainly knew what he's picking up, it's not that hard to learn edible mushrooms, poisonous mushrooms and ignore the rest which may be edible but also not.

This is not remotely what the "common knowledge" about mushroom foraging is in Eastern Europe. There is a "funny" story in Bulgaria how the most famous mushroom foraging expert in Bulgaria a few decades ago died because he made a mistake when foraging. Plenty of edible mushrooms are just "twins" of poisonous mushrooms, using animal's knowledge to not eat them, without expending the metabolic cost to actually produce…

It is true that there are "twins" but they are not the commonly foraged ones. Common ones are quite easily distinguished from the poisonous ones, and those that have bad twins, the twins also taste pretty bad (extremely bitter, etc.) If you don't try to eat every possible edible mushroom as a sport but stick to the most easily recognized ones you'll be fine.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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At 77 years, he certainly knew what he's picking up, it's not that hard to learn edible mushrooms, poisonous mushrooms and ignore the rest which may be edible but also not.

At 77 years old, he's long past his mental prime and could easily have made a mistake despite his experience.

Yeah a mistake like working for an insane dictator known for murdering people who crossed him. Common thing, could happen to anyone.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Read the article, he has been sick for two weeks before dying. This looks a lot like regular shroom poisoning, he wasn't too young either, and I guess that, at >70 years old in Russia, you start to be more vulnerable. I guess that political murder could be an easy explanation, in which case it's really, really subtle, which - huh - isn't really what the FSB is known for ?

Poisoning people is exactly what FSB is known for.
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