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Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Post by mcpackieh »

goodpoint wrote: post #87
mcpackieh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 77 years old, he's long past his mental prime and could easily have made a mistake despite his experience.

Huh? 77 is not 97.

77 is long past the point at which we usually ask people to retire from safety-critical roles. Even when retirement isn't forced, regular evaluation is strongly encouraged for people that old. For instance, consider this statement from the American College of Surgeons:

> Although age-related deterioration varies from individual to individual, gradual decline in overall health, physical dexterity, and cognition generally occurs after the age of 65. For this reason, it is recommended that, starting at age 65 to 70, surgeons undergo voluntary and confidential baseline physical examination and visual testing by their personal physician for overall health assessment. Regular interval reevaluation thereafter is prudent for those without identifiable issues on the index examination. Surgeons are encouraged to also voluntarily assess their neurocognitive function using confidential online tools. As a part of one’s professional obligation, voluntary self-disclosure of any concerning and validated findings is encouraged, and limitation of activities may be appropriate.

https://www.facs.org/about-acs/statements/aging-surgeon/

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

dylan604 wrote: post #113
stevezsa8 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, after a few years of Reddit, I started calling this kind of thing "internet advice"... ok for a discussion, but often contradictory or wrong (if I happen to know the topic in depth). For example, people give advice to grown men and women about how to proceed with their divorce or financial planning. Lots of up votes to lend credibility.... but if you dig into their history, the advice giver is 14 years old acco…

> Yeah, after a few years of Reddit, I started calling this kind of thing "internet advice"... ok for a discussion, but often contradictory or wrong And we wonder why ChatGPT sounds confused!

Heh, for me, I've been a little surprised sometimes by how people think ChatGPT is amazing, sure it's great tech, but people seem to be using it for all sorts of stuff and when I try it, I find that it ends up spewing generic nonsense but then I realise, this is the same nonsense I will get by googling very similar topics.

Garbage in, Garbage out.

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Post by dagw »

deely3 wrote: post #3

I am curious, does similar 'mushroom posioning' starts happening in last few years, or does similar incidents happened across last decades?

Picking wild mushrooms is super common in Scandinavia. I had some mushrooms my wife picked for dinner yesterday. You read about maybe 1-2 deaths or serious illnesses a year in the newspaper, and it always makes national news. So yes it happens, but it's probably quite literally a 1-in-a-million event.

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Post by javajosh »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #99
api wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prigozhin fell from the sky in a plane so at least that one was still a fall. This isn’t even trying. I’m just blown away by the gullible fools who see this dying totalitarian dystopia with statistics around birth and family life that are way worse than anything in the West as a beacon of resistance to decadence or something. Of course I guess this isn’t new with Russia. Back in the Cold War it was naive elements of…

There are left apologists for Russia too. Jeffrey Sachs, Chomsky (he is doing it again, defending tyrants).

Chomsky a Russian apologist? Citation needed.

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Post by lost_tourist »

renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

It's quite suspicious given Putin's tendency to murder/assassinate people with poisons and 11th floor jumps, especially given the recent failure in the space program. I'm not sure why we're not supposed to be suspicious of any high profile person dying in Russia given Putin's penchant to have people killed or imprisoned when they embarrass him. No idea how Navalny isn't dead yet unless Putin just wants to break him in Russian prison.

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Post by ojl »

gadders wrote: post #84
renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

The people I feel for are the ones that change countries and mistake a deadly lookalike for what is an edible mushroom in their country. Google is letting me down but I believe something like this happened to a Vietnamese family in the UK.

I remember some years ago I read an article about some Russian tourists in Sweden who got really sick after picking and eating mushrooms. I don’t think any of them died but several of them needed to spend time in the hospital if I remember correctly.

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Post by lost_tourist »

serf wrote: post #45
renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

>If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they end up shooting themselves by accident. eating a poisonous mushroom seems way easier. Less steps, less oversight, a calmer activity that doesn't provoke a crowd response. but , in theory, that would also be exactly the alibi you'd want for a believable story: "gun nut shoots himself to death by accident" when y…

I think people just like to slip those political jabs in wherever they can to try to take a poke at those of use who think the 2nd amendment has a place in a free society. I've cleaned my guns hundreds of times over the past couple of decades and never been close to being shot. Not only that, but I keep one with me most times when I'm out and about (where allowed by law). It's a few standard safety rules to those who are petrified of guns and gun ownership.

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Post by wolverine876 »

renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

Does it say they were foraging or that the mushrooms were wild?

> In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it.

It's very common for people to die of mushroom poisoning in Russia?

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

Across the whole world, 100 people die of mushroom poisoning each year [0]. You don't think it's suspicious that this man, who was well educated and presumably experienced in mushroom foraging, happened to die of it within weeks of the failure of Russia's moon lander? After all the other poisonings and baroque assassination methods used on so many others who had troubled or embarrassed Putin's regime?

[0] https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/05/17/1175494...

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