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Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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They do not have to, but they risk being slashed if they add transactions that are not “correct” as per the network. The link I provided shows this coercion via OFAC compliance.

No, your link shows that a majority of validators will not include certain transactions in a block. While problematic in itself, there is nothing around slashing other validators who do so, on their allotted blocks. Technically you can still obtain 32 ETH on the market, permissionlessly set up your own beacon-, validator- and execution clients and wait until it's your go to send out txes.

Ok, I assumed a validator providing blocks with unexpected transactions would trigger a penalty - guess not.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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That's not a value proposition. The only trust a 3rd party like Twitter demands in your example is that I trust they won't impersonate my account with a message (since there's no private/public key proof) But your system doesn't address that either. After all, what's stopping _anyone_ from just saying they're me and sending out messages? Like 99% of decentralized usecases, this still falls down to trying to cheat the…

It certainly is for some. You are correct - it allows consumers to know the message has not been tampered. The downside of your trust model is permission. Facebook and Twitter may revoke your permission to use “your” identity at any time, for any reason. Requiring ID verification for a rented online identity is a terrible trend imo. These companies are not to be trusted - they exploit users and inevitably sell your d…

Your system is so poorly secured there is no value in tampering with the message: I can just say I'm you and tweet.

A tweet is not a direct message, it's a broadcast message.

Without a centralized 3rd party mapping names to public keys, the identity of the sender can be set to whatever you want.

Your model only works for non-tweets where I'm sending to people I had communication with in the past and was able to verify a public key... at which point you're just providing E2E encryption with worse ergonomics and no new value prop.

You cannot cheat the oracle problem. There is no magic bullet that lets you broadcast messages with known identifies without a centralized 3rd party.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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It certainly is for some. You are correct - it allows consumers to know the message has not been tampered. The downside of your trust model is permission. Facebook and Twitter may revoke your permission to use “your” identity at any time, for any reason. Requiring ID verification for a rented online identity is a terrible trend imo. These companies are not to be trusted - they exploit users and inevitably sell your d…

Your system is so poorly secured there is no value in tampering with the message: I can just say I'm you and tweet. A tweet is not a direct message, it's a broadcast message. Without a centralized 3rd party mapping names to public keys, the identity of the sender can be set to whatever you want. Your model only works for non-tweets where I'm sending to people I had communication with in the past and was able to verif…

That’s not true. There are methods for proving control of a key, both in the protocol and outside.

- Sharing keys in person

- Sharing keys via other channels like Twitter

- Via DNS using NIP-05

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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> you have your identity tied to your Bitcoin public key. Uhm, where did you see that?

That is how it is presented; I'm aware that you can probably use it without owning any Bitcoin, but again -- even the Twitter guy is touting that being the point of it.

Bitcoin tips are just another action on notes (tweets), along side likes and reposts.

Don’t like bitcoin? Cool, don’t click the button. That’s literally all there is to it.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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So I've been building of one of the nostr web clients ( https://satellite.earth ) full time since December last year - I agree partially with all these points and will try to add something from my perspective of being perhaps a bit too close to this. 1) With regard to message replication/ordering, the relays are supposed to reject messages that are received with a timestamp that deviates from the server clock beyond…

I checked out a community that on the tin is about learning coding and found Trumpers, bigots and antivaxxers. It reminded me of pro free speech fork of Reddit. It wasn't a bad idea AT ALL on the face of it but in practice its front page was never without a racial slur and no decent people stayed long. If everyone cares about privacy then privacy focused places ought to be full of on average smart people having intel…

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Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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I checked out a community that on the tin is about learning coding and found Trumpers, bigots and antivaxxers. It reminded me of pro free speech fork of Reddit. It wasn't a bad idea AT ALL on the face of it but in practice its front page was never without a racial slur and no decent people stayed long. If everyone cares about privacy then privacy focused places ought to be full of on average smart people having intel…

Social media is crawling with the bigoted anti-reality Trumper crowd. There are plenty here as well. Maybe running a local spam filter on one of these decentralized platforms is the way to go. I wouldn't mind running LLMs and removing all the content from Trump crime family fans. Would be nice to detect and reject LLM-generated adtech bullshit while we are at it.

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Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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nostr being an offshoot of crypto/bitcoin tech influences the protocol in important ways, like everything crypto/bitcoin you need to read documentation to understand the terminology being used and you need to 'invest' in the culture, which is bitcoin evangelist culture w/ all the baggage.

Which essentially limits adoption to less than 1% of humans, a problem centralized social networks don't have to contend with.

This is a feature and not a flaw. More does not equal better.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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I'd like to point out that the apparent "crypto dominance" is mostly due to that group's propensity to be early-adopters of new technology. The apparent crypto spam is actually a good opportunity to squash the bot issue early. Even people "in crypto" hate bots spamming the newest shitcoin. So while that may put some people off, there is non-crypto related communication, and the "crypto dominance" will decrease over t…

Still, cryptocurrency is inherently baked into the network due to the “zaps” mechanism.

NIP-57 is optional. It's implemented by clients using that functionality but not required per se.

The same goes for NIP-52 [Calendar Events] and NIP-99 [Classified Listings]. Neither of those are "inherently baked into the network".

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Which essentially limits adoption to less than 1% of humans, a problem centralized social networks don't have to contend with.

This is a feature and not a flaw. More does not equal better.

Sure, but then it's not really something to be "betting big" on like the author says he is.
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