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Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by djbusby »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #7
echelon wrote: post #4

Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

Would be nice, but the economics would be kinda wack with how much of the cost is in the battery pack. Especially when companies like tesla put the same pack in all their cars and determine your "capacity" in software. I'd imagine that would either change, or people would start buying up the lowest-cost EVs just to pull the battery out of them (like "shucking" external drives) and resell all the other parts.

Or just buying batteries directly from the Kit company or compatible suppliers.

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Post by [deleted] »

bdcravens wrote: post #96
echelon wrote: post #4

Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

It's a thing. A hobby project I've wanted to do is to convert older cars to electric. The more iconic, the better, for troll value :-)

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Post by cj »

raisedbyninjas wrote: post #59
giancarlostoro wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need to jump start an EV you need to charge it basically. I cant think of a case where it would be needed with an otherwise filled battery.

I just learned that my ICE vehicle can drain the 12v battery overnight if it fails to turn off the accessories circuit. No lights or infotainment etc. were left on. In my case, it was the switch on the park gear flaked out. I imagine a variety of similar faults could cause the same issue in an EV.

Reminds me of renting a zipcar for a few days and parking it in an underground parking lot.

When I went to use the car after a couple days, the battery was drained. This happened on multiple occasions with different vehicles parked in the same garage.

My best guess is Zipcar has cellular comms to phone home, which enter some weird “always trying to connect” state when cut off from cellular signal underground.

Zipcar’s response was to ban me from renting on their platform ever again for too many disabled vehicles.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by abakker »

petabytes wrote: post #84
echelon wrote: post #4

Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/ sells bolt in kits for classic cars

And evwest.com also stocks a lot of parts. There literally thousands of videos on YouTube about conversions, and companies all over who are dedicated to doing them.

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Post by arlort »

javajosh wrote: post #3

Rather than us fighting for the right to repair, shouldn't manufacturers be fighting for the right to limit our ability to repair? Isn't "right to repair" the default state? The right to repair, modify, disassemble, recombine your own property is a key component of capitalism, is it not?

> Isn't "right to repair" the default state?

There's no such thing as a default state, only status quo.

And the status quo is that right to repair is not really a thing all that much

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Post by qbrass »

saintkaye wrote: post #113
bdcravens wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a thing. A hobby project I've wanted to do is to convert older cars to electric. The more iconic, the better, for troll value :-)

I’m begging for a 1969 SL180 converted to electric. How do we do it?

https://everrati.com/works/mercedes-280sl-pagoda/

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by hgsgm »

YeBanKo wrote: post #115
echelon wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or people would start buying up the lowest-cost EVs just to pull the battery out of them (like "shucking" external drives) and resell all the other parts. That sounds amazing.

What would be the point of it? The battery is the most expensive part of the vehicle.

Same as a hard drive.

Business models and soft vendor lockouts cause price drift.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by dylan604 »

Fluorescence wrote: post #39
echelon wrote: post #4

Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

I found the JerryRigEverything project converting an ex-military hummer to an EV interesting despite not really being into cars/evs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxkPuEmIX4U&list=PL0vZL9uwyf... Despite the untold expense and full on car workshop... it felt very accessible and possible. Ridiculous hubris on my part obviously hah! I doubt I could change a tire on humvee without help.

For those that know they will be interested and not disappointed by this tease of a video, here's the playlist to all of the videos of the conversion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jnhh1P86vQ&list=PL0vZL9uwyf...

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by jandrese »

marak830 wrote: post #29

I'm sorry I have seen the thread leads, and I cannot agree with them and think the replies do not get enough notice. Right to repair should be a full set of instructions for "everything" are available. That's it. Give the full specs for everything. If it's code reliant(which wtf), what does it require to work? That's. Fucking. It. We give you rules to say peeps cannot sell what you made, you make it so we can repair…

Remember the old days when you would open up an appliance and there would be the full circuit diagram pasted on the inside of the case? Unfortunately VLSI kinda killed this off, nowadays everything is crammed into a single chip that you can't repair.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by callalex »

tegmark wrote: post #35
echelon wrote: post #4

Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

this is the ignorance that drives these silly headlines. building these things is very hard. theres all kinds of crazy solvents and adhesives. the pack is structural. the product that tesla builds is fundamentally not well suited to repair or modification and tesla isnt under any obligation, on any level, to prioritize people who like to imagine they could repair or build a tesla over building the most excellent and…

Take it easy on the paint fumes there bud. You are aware that other electric vehicles exist and work just fine, right?
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