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Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Repairability is like online security: if companies really cared about it, they'd have built it into the product beginning at the design stage. With most products these days, repairability is actively discouraged at many different levels: components are inaccessible, soldered or glued on, specifications are unavailable, replacement parts are not sold direct to the public, etc. This is all done to shorten product life…

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Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

It's a thing. A hobby project I've wanted to do is to convert older cars to electric. The more iconic, the better, for troll value :-)

I’m begging for a 1969 SL180 converted to electric. How do we do it?

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

I found the JerryRigEverything project converting an ex-military hummer to an EV interesting despite not really being into cars/evs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxkPuEmIX4U&list=PL0vZL9uwyf... Despite the untold expense and full on car workshop... it felt very accessible and possible. Ridiculous hubris on my part obviously hah! I doubt I could change a tire on humvee without help.

There is also Aging Wheels' ongoing conversion of a Ford Escape to a 900HP EV: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzV2uljPvyAc7dEH2EeTP...

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Would be nice, but the economics would be kinda wack with how much of the cost is in the battery pack. Especially when companies like tesla put the same pack in all their cars and determine your "capacity" in software. I'd imagine that would either change, or people would start buying up the lowest-cost EVs just to pull the battery out of them (like "shucking" external drives) and resell all the other parts.

> or people would start buying up the lowest-cost EVs just to pull the battery out of them (like "shucking" external drives) and resell all the other parts. That sounds amazing.

What would be the point of it? The battery is the most expensive part of the vehicle.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

You can get a small jumper battery and leave it in the car. You can easily charge it with the EV. It'll be smaller than a full set of jumper cables, even.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Rather than us fighting for the right to repair, shouldn't manufacturers be fighting for the right to limit our ability to repair? Isn't "right to repair" the default state? The right to repair, modify, disassemble, recombine your own property is a key component of capitalism, is it not?

Would you support a ballot measure(if this is an option in your jurisdiction) that enacts a strong right to repair? I don’t see how we can make it a default way otherwise. Lobby makes any attempted bill toothless.

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I think the biggest problem with Tesla is access to parts, much of the process (minus the computer bits) are easy to reverse engineer.

Even the need to "reverse engineer" something that you paid for and ostensibly own , though, is overwhelmingly insulting and in some ways (though obviously not technically legally, ethically) is basically directly challenging public perception of property ownership. It's not even like it's say, a watch that I might actually need specialist equipment or knowledge to repair/maintain. It's actually something I'm expecte…

>It's not even like it's say, a watch that I might actually need specialist equipment or knowledge to repair/maintain.

If it doesn't need specialist knowledge then why are you asking for people to release their knowledge on how it works? Just use your general knowledge on how it works then.

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