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Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:45 PM UTC

fipar wrote: post #16

cj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding to that, you also can't jump start another Tesla with your Tesla (according to the manual) Edit: link to jumpstarting in manual: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-3567D5F...

Question out of ignorance: what does it mean to jump start an EV? I know what it is for an ICE (and I have a jump-starter-battery always in the trunk, with usb ports it doubles as a phone charger if you’re somewhere without power), but for an EV, I’d guess you either have enough battery charge for it to run, or you need to charge, right?

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Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by Retric » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:46 PM UTC

blamazon wrote: post #11

omgJustTest wrote: post #2

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on. However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

That is the exact use case where solar roofs on EV’s become very useful. However you can “jump” EV’s, supply power to their 12v system and then charge off of another cars 120v plug, or a portable generator etc.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by blamazon » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #22

blamazon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on. However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

That is the exact use case where solar roofs on EV’s become very useful. However you can “jump” EV’s, supply power to their 12v system and then charge off of another cars 120v plug, or a portable generator etc.

Similarly, I've always thought it's a no brainer for any ICE car to have a solar roof. At a minimum it can keep a 12v battery from dying over long parking durations or high parasitic drain, and at best it could like, keep a container refrigerated or something.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by giancarlostoro » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

fipar wrote: post #16

cj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding to that, you also can't jump start another Tesla with your Tesla (according to the manual) Edit: link to jumpstarting in manual: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-3567D5F...

Question out of ignorance: what does it mean to jump start an EV? I know what it is for an ICE (and I have a jump-starter-battery always in the trunk, with usb ports it doubles as a phone charger if you’re somewhere without power), but for an EV, I’d guess you either have enough battery charge for it to run, or you need to charge, right?

If you need to jump start an EV you need to charge it basically. I cant think of a case where it would be needed with an otherwise filled battery.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by 1970-01-01 » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

omgJustTest wrote: post #2

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Because they are apples and oranges and Tesla is using 48v! Jumping a 12v lead acid battery with 48v is a fantastic way to completely fry the ICE vehicle.

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Post by amluto » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:51 PM UTC

blamazon wrote: post #11

omgJustTest wrote: post #2

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on. However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

I would be cautious doing that. The analogous (I think) terminals hiding under the old Model S nosecone are not particularly thick, and you might fry something. Also, if they are fused (I don’t know whether they are) and you blow the fuse, then merely opening the doors of the car if anything else goes wrong with the 12V system becomes quite complicated.

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Post by jefftk » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:53 PM UTC

blamazon wrote: post #11

omgJustTest wrote: post #2

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on. However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

That's not normally what people mean by "jump": jumping an ICE car is using the battery of one car to power the starter motor of another to get it running (after which it doesn't need a battery to keep running).

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Post by falcolas » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:53 PM UTC

fipar wrote: post #16

cj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding to that, you also can't jump start another Tesla with your Tesla (according to the manual) Edit: link to jumpstarting in manual: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-3567D5F...

Question out of ignorance: what does it mean to jump start an EV? I know what it is for an ICE (and I have a jump-starter-battery always in the trunk, with usb ports it doubles as a phone charger if you’re somewhere without power), but for an EV, I’d guess you either have enough battery charge for it to run, or you need to charge, right?

An EV has two power systems, 12V (typically) for the car accessories, and 120V for the drive motors.

And if the 12V system is down, you can’t drive the car (can’t close the contactor that connects the 120V batteries to the system).

So, in theory, you could jump the 12V system so you can engage the 120V system.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Post by marak830 » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:54 PM UTC

I'm sorry I have seen the thread leads, and I cannot agree with them and think the replies do not get enough notice.

Right to repair should be a full set of instructions for "everything" are available.

That's it. Give the full specs for everything. If it's code reliant(which wtf), what does it require to work?

That's. Fucking. It. We give you rules to say peeps cannot sell what you made, you make it so we can repair it.

If you don't like it, sell fucking service.

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Post by anaganisk » Sat, Sep 02, 2023, 2:54 PM UTC

cj wrote: post #9

omgJustTest wrote: post #2

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Adding to that, you also can't jump start another Tesla with your Tesla (according to the manual) Edit: link to jumpstarting in manual: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-3567D5F...

Jump start? Pfft. The stupid car, got stuck with AC stuck on full heat, with a blacked out screen. Unresponsive to resets. I couldn't even open the damm frunk to remove the fuses, yeah okay I don't carry a 12v battery around with me to jump the frunk.(how difficult is it to give damm manual overrides for critical stuff) It was a rental so no access to Tesla app. Tesla Customer service refused to help, since it's a rental

Tesla is a smart phone with wheels that can't make calls. It's great while it works but it is as dangerous as it can be once things go wrong. This car must be banned. It scarred me enough to keep me away from other EVs too which put all the controls in a screen. There is no excuse for EVs to have everything electrically controlled.