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Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on.

However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

#12

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on. However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

Have you tried it? My Tesla doesn’t keep the terminals charged unless the car has recently been in motion and shuts down in a few minutes.

Also Tesla says not to do this, jumping in the conventional sense is more as you describe, charging the other battery and may require more than 20min to do it.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small nit: I can 'jump' (read: charge the battery of) other cars with my model X, as long as the other car is an ICE car. In the frunk there is a panel that pops off and underneath there are (unlabeled) 12V and ground terminals that I can put jumper cables on. However, I have had to get my car towed a mile to a charging station before, I really deeply wish I could have received a jump then.

Have you tried it? My Tesla doesn’t keep the terminals charged unless the car has recently been in motion and shuts down in a few minutes. Also Tesla says not to do this, jumping in the conventional sense is more as you describe, charging the other battery and may require more than 20min to do it.

Yes, I have an unfortunate habit of leaving the lights on in my ICE vehicle, and I've used it to run an inverter many times in a camping type of scenario. My memory is that there's two 12v terminals in my frunk, one that turns off and one that does not. My car is older though, pre facelift.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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post #3

Rather than us fighting for the right to repair, shouldn't manufacturers be fighting for the right to limit our ability to repair? Isn't "right to repair" the default state? The right to repair, modify, disassemble, recombine your own property is a key component of capitalism, is it not?

Agree, the language is problematic. But unfortunately companies sometimes use the law to take away that right. Additionally, right to repair sometimes means going beyond the default state and requiring companies to go the extra mile, so that is where the langauge may also stem from.

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post #3

Rather than us fighting for the right to repair, shouldn't manufacturers be fighting for the right to limit our ability to repair? Isn't "right to repair" the default state? The right to repair, modify, disassemble, recombine your own property is a key component of capitalism, is it not?

In addition to all the legal restrictions on "reverse engineering" (i.e. examining how stuff works) and circumventing DRM, as technology advances, using technical means to restrict otherwise legal end-user activities is becoming a big problem.

That you're legally allowed to repair your tractor doesn't help much if the on-board secure TPM chip flags your replacement parts as counterfeit, locks the engine, and reports you to the manufacturer so they refuse to sell you parts in the future.

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post #9

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Adding to that, you also can't jump start another Tesla with your Tesla (according to the manual) Edit: link to jumpstarting in manual: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-3567D5F...

Question out of ignorance: what does it mean to jump start an EV?

I know what it is for an ICE (and I have a jump-starter-battery always in the trunk, with usb ports it doubles as a phone charger if you’re somewhere without power), but for an EV, I’d guess you either have enough battery charge for it to run, or you need to charge, right?

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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post #3

Rather than us fighting for the right to repair, shouldn't manufacturers be fighting for the right to limit our ability to repair? Isn't "right to repair" the default state? The right to repair, modify, disassemble, recombine your own property is a key component of capitalism, is it not?

Manufacturers make things difficult to repair, use nonstandard components and tools that you can't get from a third party, they glue things together in such a way that you have to have break it to get inside, they take away your warranty if you do anything they don´t want you to do, and so on.

This dispute is all about not letting manufacturers use such tactics. I see it also as an ecological issue, because unrepairable and upgradeable stuff means more garbage.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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post #4

Since EVs are mechanically simpler, I'd really like to see a return to kit cars. Perhaps you could buy the preassembled chassis and modify the rest of the car as you'd like. Maybe you could tear down the whole thing and rebuild it. In theory this should be super accessible. You might see a whole community spring up over it. It's potentially a huge market ranging from teenagers to retirees. Lots of people love cars an…

Framework car

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

#19

You can’t even jump another car with your Tesla, let alone do repairs.

Taking this literally, it would be a massive publicity stunt. Have a stock Model 3 jump 20 school buses, and then see how the competition goes.

Re: Tesla, Rivian Put on Fake Show of Support for ‘Right to Repair’

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post #3

Rather than us fighting for the right to repair, shouldn't manufacturers be fighting for the right to limit our ability to repair? Isn't "right to repair" the default state? The right to repair, modify, disassemble, recombine your own property is a key component of capitalism, is it not?

We found out that this is no longer the case since hardware can contain software which just prevents the "owner" from replacing a part. On top of this manufacturers abuse copyright laws to prevent "owners" from tinkering with said software.

That's why we need specific laws to protect the freedom which should be the default.

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