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The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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There is an easy way to fix this: make the companies collecting the data be criminally liable for any misuse or leaks of this data. Something with teeth, such x% of total revenue, not our current “sorry, we leaked your data, tough for you” If this data is so important it should be treated with the same care & auditing that their income stream gets.

Does nothing to prevent state abuse when the state sets and executes the punishment for it.

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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post #10

I mean, I know its not practical for everyone or every application - that being said I have made it my highest priority to go out of my way to not use services or products that require apps to be installed. Obviously I make exceptions for stuff I deem "required" but for coffee chains, fast food restaurants, grocery stores and other services if they need an "app" for me to use it. I just won't use it. Or I will go out…

>That being said, I am now running into what I call the "Non-App Tax". The most prominent example I can think of in my own experience is my towns local parking payment system. You actually don't need to use the app to find parking or pay. You can scan a QR code and pay via text. Then I looked at the prices on the app vs prices via text and the prices were a decent amount higher ($1-2 more) and less flexible than if I had just used the app. Kinda shitty and I can absolutely see this becoming the norm.

Or a "discount" for using the app. /s

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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They're not just storing and using this data for their own private/commercial purposes. They're also licensing it and selling it to third parties, which in turn will sell it to government(s) or other third-parties; the data ramifies and spreads throughout the digital panopticon. There is very little you can do as an individual to escape this. The privacy settings on your phone, in your apps, on your laptop, your rout…

>Heavy top-down regulation won't work, never has. That's utter nonsense. There will never be perfect compliance, but regulations absolutely can curb undesired behavior.

I wish you were right, but unfortunately 'regulations' always have carve-outs for the government itself, and they're one of the largest consumers of this data.

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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post #12

I did an experiment: I deleted all the cookies using privacy settings of my browser then I avoid to click anything about cookies' authorisation, i.e. if a page present that kind of requests I immediately close the page itself. At the and, I verified that cookies are presente on browser's storage despite my absence of authorisation, even third parties cookies. So, yes, I agree: commercial surveillance is creepy and I…

Only tracking cookies require consent. Cookies could be about the last time you saw the website's weather content, in which case it's purely functional and need no consent.

Not all places in the world share the same set of laws or jurisprudence. What's allowed or required and what isn't is entirely dependent on the jurisdiction(s) the website operators are beholden to.

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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post #21

They're not just storing and using this data for their own private/commercial purposes. They're also licensing it and selling it to third parties, which in turn will sell it to government(s) or other third-parties; the data ramifies and spreads throughout the digital panopticon. There is very little you can do as an individual to escape this. The privacy settings on your phone, in your apps, on your laptop, your rout…

It's also worth mentioning that "they" includes entities that you have never heard of and have never had a business relationship with. Basically nothing can be done other than strict legislation. Claiming that top down regulation won't work is not based on evidence and is needlessly fatalistic. If anything, history shows that the thing big corporations fear most is having their profits regulated away. Of course they…

I look at the modern privacy environment as behaving the same way rumor does on the internet. Once it's out there, it's out there, and there's no telling who is using it and for what purpose.

The "Copy-paste panopticon"

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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Been using DuckDuckGo's app privacy protection, some of the requests are just crazy, and from applications I haven't opened in months.

What does that do that using uBlock with a decent block list doesn't? Not trying to be contrarian here, genuinely curious and wondering if I should install it on my phone.

I use a similar one called TrackerControl (from fdroid) it is just incredible the number of trackers inside a single app. Some have over a dozen, this is getting out of hand.

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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I’m a raging capitalist, but o do think that all forms of surveillance need to be disclosed by regulation. This applies to government surveillance as well as corporate surveillance on customers and employees. Companies should be able to collect data on whatever they want but must disclose it. It must be possible for people to see exactly what is being tracked as well as the aggregations performed on the data.

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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post #10

I mean, I know its not practical for everyone or every application - that being said I have made it my highest priority to go out of my way to not use services or products that require apps to be installed. Obviously I make exceptions for stuff I deem "required" but for coffee chains, fast food restaurants, grocery stores and other services if they need an "app" for me to use it. I just won't use it. Or I will go out…

They give you an option to pay more and not install anything? I'm jealous, most of what I've seen is "install the app or you are SOL".

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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post #42
post #10

I mean, I know its not practical for everyone or every application - that being said I have made it my highest priority to go out of my way to not use services or products that require apps to be installed. Obviously I make exceptions for stuff I deem "required" but for coffee chains, fast food restaurants, grocery stores and other services if they need an "app" for me to use it. I just won't use it. Or I will go out…

>That being said, I am now running into what I call the "Non-App Tax". The most prominent example I can think of in my own experience is my towns local parking payment system. You actually don't need to use the app to find parking or pay. You can scan a QR code and pay via text. Then I looked at the prices on the app vs prices via text and the prices were a decent amount higher ($1-2 more) and less flexible than if I…

Eventually, when the app reaches a certain amount of downloads, do you believe they will eventually regulate the prices as the one you have to pay for physically?

Re: The problem of creeping commercial surveillance (2022)

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post #39
post #12

I did an experiment: I deleted all the cookies using privacy settings of my browser then I avoid to click anything about cookies' authorisation, i.e. if a page present that kind of requests I immediately close the page itself. At the and, I verified that cookies are presente on browser's storage despite my absence of authorisation, even third parties cookies. So, yes, I agree: commercial surveillance is creepy and I…

> I avoid to click anything about cookies' authorisation, i.e. if a page present that kind of requests I immediately close the page itself. At the and, I verified that cookies are presente on browser's storage I have recently had to implement some of these banners. Here’s what I learned: click reject . The way America’s version of the cookie banner law (not sure about EU) works is that cookies are default allowed . T…

More importantly, use a malware blocker like ublock origin.
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