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Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by janandonly »

hellcow wrote: post #111
janandonly wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're at the point of tricking your operating system into thinking you're in a different country to make it function properly, it may be time to try a new OS. macOS has excellent compatibility with 95% of windows software through Parallels, and also respects your choice of browser. I have Firefox, Chrome, Tor Browser and Brave running next to my current browser of preference, Safari. But switching back and fort…

MacOS, run by Apple, the same company that mandates the Safari engine on iOS? The same company that fights tooth and nail against allowing non-“approved” apps to run on their devices? Let’s not delude ourselves to thinking that two of the richest tech companies in the world are all that different. Both are working against your interests to monopolize their turf. The group that truly puts users first is FOSS: Linux an…

I was talking about a full OS, macOS. Not the sealed and sandboxed iOS that you are trying to shift the focus to.

Please, name me one, just one, software that I should want to run on macOS but can't?

> Let’s not delude ourselves to thinking that two of the richest tech companies in the world are all that different. Both are working against your interests to monopolize their turf.

I never said they were. All I was talking about is free choice of browsers, which I have on macOS.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by kypro »

wishfish wrote: post #298
denton-scratch wrote: post #229

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> Even if it leads to more annoying cookie banners. Those are not the result of EU regulation; they're not even compliant with EU regs, usually. I don't know for sure why companies put up those stupid banners, but I suspect it's partly a kind of protest, and partly an (illegal) attempt to trick users into consenting to data collection.

Thanks for the correction. I always assumed those banners were to comply with the regulations. Nice to know the companies are being annoying for no reason.

The other guy is wrong. It just takes a simple Google search to confirm this.

I've had to implement and manage these banners at almost every company I've worked for the last several years. It's EU law. Websites that operate in the EU must obtain explicit consent to use tracking cookies. The exception here would be essential cookies which are needed to provide service – although you may still need to consent to do that depending on what data the service is collecting / processing.

Some banners don't comply with EU regulation because they default checkboxes to approve cookies and the EU regulation requires "explicit consent". That said, you almost certainly won't find a major website that doesn't comply for EU visitors and where sites get this wrong it's usually not intentional and is normally because smaller companies don't have the time or resources to comply with the nuances of EU data law. The larger companies who do have the resources hire people like myself to do it for them. There's a sizeable industry around complying with EU GDPR regulation here in Europe. Companies like Usercentrics make millions charging companies for EU-compliant cookie banners, https://www.cookiebot.com/

It's not great for small businesses, but it's great if you're a larger corporate with the money for compliance or an individual riding the EU regulatory gravy train.

The regulation is only 99 articles long and full of fun legal talk if you're interested in reading it yourself. It's just one of the many documents you'll need to familiarise yourself with if you want to do business in the EU: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by whatwhaaaaat »

cyanydeez wrote: post #340
ChadNauseam wrote: post #272

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Is the idea that it would have been really good if the person who organized the insurrection also had the ability to censor people who disagreed with him?

Are you paying attention to their current argument about why it was legal to conspire to overthrow the government?

Are you paying attention to how ridiculous that sounds? I voted for Biden and this sort of hyperbole makes me think some of what trump says is right.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by tempodox »

seszett wrote: post #323
tempodox wrote: post #306

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Because the fines are just priced in as cost of doing business. They don't actually change anything.

But the very article we are discussing shows that it does change things, though?

It’s the exception that confirms the rule.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by sznio »

dijit wrote: post #205
xnickb wrote: post #199

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A concept of thin clients is of course completely unthinkable in this context.

Thin clients with 2007-era javascript interpreters as the only code execution framework (vs local MACH-O binaries) does seem to be a bit of a weird choice if "slow" was the problem and you intended to have thin clients.

There's also a backend. Back in 2007 a web app was mostly backend code that would send you HTML to display, and at worst it would have some AJAX for a chatbox/autoreload.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by sznio »

npteljes wrote: post #207
fsflover wrote: post #168

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I installed Linux for my relatives and they never have this problem (or any other problem!).

Can I please ask how technical they are, and what distro are you using? And that what are they using the OS for? I'm looking into this passively for years now, and I'm really interested in actual people's experiences.

I installed Linux Mint for my parents a few years ago.

They still haven't noticed.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by lloeki »

sofixa wrote: post #321
skydhash wrote: post #245

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It respects user choice where there’s a choice to be made. Most of your examples seems to points to things that are not included by design.

Not giving the user choice is a form of not respecting the user when talking about basics such as "don't save a document which came in a normal format into some proprietary nonsense unusable outside of an Apple device". This is actively hostile design.

> If I open a document or spreadsheet in the default installed apps, saving them will save them in the proprietary shitty Apple formats

Do you mean Pages/Keynote/Numbers?

Since these are not 1:1 (neither on feature nor in concepts) with MS Office/OpenOffice opening such a file is by definition a lossy import, so saving in the original format would be destructive, both with regards to the original contents being lossily converted to Apple app concepts and any Apple concept specific change made after opening being lossily converted to the original format.

This is not user hostile, this is saving the user from the impedance mismatch between software that organically grew from Multiplan and software that's been designed from the ground up.

Now, the Apple office suite being "shitty" is largely your personal (and the way you phrased it, judgemental) opinion, I personally prefer the Apple office suite any day to MS Office/OpenOffice/GDocs.

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Post by cyanydeez »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #354
cyanydeez wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you paying attention to their current argument about why it was legal to conspire to overthrow the government?

Are you paying attention to how ridiculous that sounds? I voted for Biden and this sort of hyperbole makes me think some of what trump says is right.

The hyperbole of Trump claiming his conspiracy is covered by the first amendment?

That's basically fact. Perhaps you derailed somewhere. Free speech is not absolute unless you are the king.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by bengkoang »

_fat_santa wrote: post #265
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208

> In the European Economic Area (EEA), Windows system components use the default browser to open links. That shows such complete and utter contempt for the wishes of their users. The user has actively selected a browser as the one they want to use by default, but windows only uses it in the EEA because they were forced to. As it will be used by EEA system components, there's presumably no technical/compatibility issu…

I have to ask a really basic question: Why does Microsoft have such a vested interest in users using Edge over competitors? I get the argument: "it's their browser, of course they want people to use it" but for me that answer isn't satisfactory. What is the financial motive to go through all the trouble of pushing Edge? The only reason I can think of is "your data" but even then, what sort of data might MS want to ex…

Just see chrome current intention now? What purpose they promote chrome crazily in the early days. It's to monopolize and becoming the dominant player which control how the policy of interneting favor to their ads activity
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