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Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by gumballindie » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:06 AM UTC

firstplacelast wrote: post #27

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You could get a standing desk.

Have one. Doesn’t solve the problem. I need to move and context switch (ideally).

Management worked for me for a while. I'd sit on my ass all day and context switch via email, intra company phone and at desk convos.

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by irdc » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:08 AM UTC

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Vyvanse is so safe there's no need to give people "options" instead of it. Especially since non-medical "options" barely work on people with ADHD unless they spend almost all their effort 24/7 on coping.

I think Ritalin is safest. Vyvanse can have some fairly serious mental side effects: mania, bi polar tendencies: New or worse behavior and thought problems New or worse bipolar illness New or worse psychotic symptoms, such as: Seeing things or hearing voices that are not real Believing things that are not true Being suspicious New or worse manic symptoms. Depression, suicidal thoughts.

And then there are people who hallucinate on methylphenidate (ritalin) and are perfectly fine on amphetamines.

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by zolland » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:10 AM UTC

tux3 wrote: post #8

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Giving an addictive stimulant to food addicts That'll work greeeeat. Then again if I remember correctly, Vyvanse isn't something you can get a continual high from like traditional amphetamines. : I may be completely mis-renembering that.

You'll be happy to know it does work great. Contrary to popular belief, giving stimulants significantly reduces the risks of addiction, alcoholism, substance abuse, etc. You have to treat people, otherwise they try to get their dopamine sonewhere else. Whether that's binge eating, or worse.

I think to an extent this is essentially just redirecting the preexisting addiction (edit: remove issues) onto a drug that simply produces normative behavior, specifically behavior that conforms with modern society's idea of a highly productive and obedient individual.

For those that aren't already addicted to something, say those with adhd, I wonder to what extent their environment is causing the issues that they seek to solve with a stimulant.

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by irdc » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 AM UTC

petesergeant wrote: post #17

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You'll be happy to know it does work great. Contrary to popular belief, giving stimulants significantly reduces the risks of addiction, alcoholism, substance abuse, etc. You have to treat people, otherwise they try to get their dopamine sonewhere else. Whether that's binge eating, or worse.

Don’t people acclimatise to them? Biggest reason I don’t take Vyanse is because I’m worried it’ll stop working (like modafinil did) but leave me addicted to it

Sure, you're going to feel like crap for a week or so if you stop Vyvanse after taking it for a while (I know I did). But since a therapeutical dose is nowhere near a recreational one, the risk of developing a craving for it (which is really what addiction is all about) is low.

Heck, I've had more problems weaning myself off of diclofenac.

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by ladzoppelin » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 AM UTC

astrange wrote: post #20

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Don’t people acclimatise to them? Biggest reason I don’t take Vyanse is because I’m worried it’ll stop working (like modafinil did) but leave me addicted to it

Modafinil is not known to develop tolerance. ( https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01650... ) Vyvanse does, but it's not a problem, just take a magnesium supplement if it happens.

Magnesium glycinate Nattokinase Bromelain NAC fish oil

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by astrange » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:16 AM UTC

irdc wrote: post #30

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I once secured a box of Ritalin. It does wonders to me (sadly it was never possible for me to receive legally) but I feel the way I don't quite like once it wears off in some hours. Is Vyvanse better? At the same time as I slowly work on the other options I mentioned I get the sense of meaning, improvement, progress in gaining what will stay with me wherever I go. Practicing and progressing in these feel like the ver…

Amphetamines like Vyvanse are associated less with the so-called "rebound effect", which sounds like what you're experiencing.

It's actually pretty strong for me and I don't even take much. It's better with a secondary nonstimulant medication, but it's happened to me that I'd suddenly not have the willpower to go home from work or would have to nap around 6pm.

That said, the nonstimulant ADHD meds all have worse side effects and can't be discontinued without tapering.

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by TheHumanist » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:18 AM UTC

CommitSyn wrote: post #5

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

> FDA has approved several first generics of Vyvanse (lisdexamfetamine dimesylate) capsules and chewable tablets for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in patients six years and older and moderate to severe binge-eating disorder (BED) in adults. See Vyvanse’s prescribing information for details on dosing.

Giving an addictive stimulant to food addicts That'll work greeeeat. Then again if I remember correctly, Vyvanse isn't something you can get a continual high from like traditional amphetamines. : I may be completely mis-renembering that.

I've used vyvanse before for a good amount of time and had no addictive issues with it? Same with Adderall. Could just not take them for days or weeks with zero issue, and I'm someone that had teetered on the edge of addiction with other substances in the past. So, I think this could be helpful to people with BED

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by astrange » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:18 AM UTC

ladzoppelin wrote: post #35

astrange wrote: post #20

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Modafinil is not known to develop tolerance. ( https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01650... ) Vyvanse does, but it's not a problem, just take a magnesium supplement if it happens.

Magnesium glycinate Nattokinase Bromelain NAC fish oil

First I've heard of nattokinase and it doesn't have relevant evidence on examine.com.

Natto is a good source of vitamin K though, if you want stronger bones.

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by TheHumanist » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:19 AM UTC

ladzoppelin wrote: post #35

astrange wrote: post #20

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Modafinil is not known to develop tolerance. ( https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01650... ) Vyvanse does, but it's not a problem, just take a magnesium supplement if it happens.

Magnesium glycinate Nattokinase Bromelain NAC fish oil

Would you share the reasoning for each of these? Never heard of taking anything to help ward off Terrance of ADHD med

Re: FDA approves multiple generics of ADHD and BED treatment Vyvanse

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Post by galangalalgol » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:21 AM UTC

firstplacelast wrote: post #27

astrange wrote: post #16

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You could get a standing desk.

Have one. Doesn’t solve the problem. I need to move and context switch (ideally).

I got involved in myltiple geoups at work. I support several of them with the same domain expertise, but a few others are related or even unrelated donains. I write software for several of them. I don't wfh so this involves walking between areas or buildings on the campus to be with those groups. The complete context switch does help. It is all I had for many years. But Vyvanse has helped a lot too.