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Re: My Caste

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Post by vikramkr »

ghotli wrote: post #272

I hope this comes across as me being merely ignorant of the situation on the ground in India but I do have a question. I've seen caste based discrimination here in America first hand. It's gross and I have absolutely no patience with those participating in it. If I were to go to India with this attitude, would I be met with compatriots that also have zero interest in putting up with it? Is there a reason that such a…

Casteism is racism. Meaning your question about changing names isn't as weird as you might think. Consider all the groups that got reclassified as white as time went on in the US, like eastern europeans. It's a made up bullshit system based in nonsense hallucinated by humans and is therefore as malleable as race is. Though screw reshaping it. Let's destroy it.

Re: My Caste

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Post by momirlan »

howinteresting wrote: post #251
momirlan wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry, not American here. "backwards" means the same thing in any other type of English. I will "prepone" it... lol

What exactly is your point then? It's just another word for "disadvantaged", "underprivileged" or "oppressed".

not really, you're stretching it

Re: My Caste

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Post by howinteresting »

momirlan wrote: post #382
howinteresting wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is your point then? It's just another word for "disadvantaged", "underprivileged" or "oppressed".

not really, you're stretching it

In Indian English it's another word for disadvantaged.

Indian English has, by number of speakers, more of a claim to be standard English than British English.

Re: My Caste

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Post by quadrifoliate »

flangola7 wrote: post #295
quadrifoliate wrote: post #291

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For what it's worth, I think your mother's attitude is shared by the vast majority of Indian-Americans, and even first-generation Indian immigrants like me. In India, there are egregious things reminding you about it, i.e. literally every government form ever -- but in the US it's reasonably easy to ignore and forget about completely unless you go out initiating conversations about it, or are unlucky enough to run in…

It's on government forms?

Yes, similar to how US colleges ask for race on applications. India's government programs have the equivalent of affirmative action everywhere; so all forms where affirmative action could be implemented ask about it.

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

selimthegrim wrote: post #378
rhuru wrote: post #332

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Since I worked at Google I can clarify. There are far too many caste grifters in USA pushing an "agenda". Equality Labs for example is an Islamic Organization with a Christian Thenmouzi as its face who talks about "caste" but in reality is she is born to very rich doctor parents in central California. Most of these claims and propaganda is not just bogus but outright harmful for the very people they pretend to fight…

How is it Islamic?

Equality Labs was initially setup by a Bangladeshi Muslim to fight "Islamophobia" and to target Hindus in general. Thenmozi joined it much later and became "co-founder". They shared stage with known wanted Khalistani terrorists and such.

The "Islamists" tag made it harder for this organization to get any traction with politicians and corporate world. Everyone would look at them suspiciously so they quietly dropped all the muslim names from their site and removed most references to Islamophobia.

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Post by rhuru »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #380
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #365

I would like to point out that author is a liar and dishonest. He claims he is "OBC" which is not really a caste but rather a legal classification for affirmative action. Author's name is Meel, which indicates he is actually from the upper caste named Jats who historically have been landlords, kings and such. No one considered Jats as OBC until very recently in 2016 where this dominant caste members caused massive ri…

Caste classification is a big sh*t show. For example, Rajput is supposedly an upper caste, but by just changing it to "Rajput Bhamta" and bribing some officials one can get classified as "Vimukta Jati" in Maharashtra (which has tons of benefits at). I wouldn't be surprised if such lapses in the regulations have been abused in the past.

Correct. In fact a lot of castes got SC/ST status because these names had some spelling mistakes when the clerks wrote it down.

For example when a clerk read out to another the list of STs, there was one name called "Bhil Meena", the clerk who as writing it down heard it as "Bhil, Meena" as a result Meena which is actually a pretty powerful caste is ST even today where as Bhil Meena is still fighting for that status.

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

screye wrote: post #302

As a fellow OBC, I am not sure I like the idea of reclaiming caste. The author wrote his post from an inspiring standpoint, so my comment does not come from a place of criticism. His achievement is worth celebrating on its own grounds. ____ It's been 6 years for me in the US, and no one has asked me my caste. Even in India, the only time someone could have inferred my caste, was when someone indirectly asked my unive…

Actually a pretty sane and reasonable comment. Why is this not upvoted enough ?

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

LambdaComplex wrote: post #185
911e wrote: post #42

This caste problems continue in the US, instead of leaving behind such ridiculous biases it becomes a part of an US company… https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/googles-caste-bias-pr...

Cisco has also had problems with caste discrimination in the recent past.

Cisco did not have any problems, it was Equality Labs which brainwashed an employee to file a lawsuite against his manager (who happened to be Christian). Not only the lawsuite has been dropped the last time I checked the victim (the manager accused of discrimination) is countersueing.

Equality Labs is behind these sort of plans and propaganda.

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

LordShredda wrote: post #2

Would it be possible for the government to 'phase out' last names and instead rely on other forms of identification? Instead of putting in your name in an application form, you just list an id number and your address. Then when you show up, you only mention your first and middle name.

Indian government offers different benefits to different castes. For example say you murder someone. The victim's caste will play a big role in how you are treated. If you kill a person belonging to so called "lower caste", your punishment would higher and bar for evidence much lower.

If you belong to certain castes then you get government jobs and promotions on priority bases. Upto 50% of jobs are reserved based on caste. Around 70% of admissions in colleges are done by looking at your caste.

GOVERNMENT insists on knowing your caste.

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

isanjay wrote: post #16
teachrdan wrote: post #5

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I just posted this on a probably-dead thread about caste discrimination, but the short of it is the folks who wish to discriminate by caste have a variety of ways to determine what your caste is. From the Vice article below: Indians will not ask outright what caste you are, as it’s seen as overly discriminatory, but they use more subtle methods to identify your place in the caste structure. “Sometimes they ask, ‘Are…

> Indians will not ask outright what caste you are. My team lead asked me in a Teams call, lol. At that point, he doesn't even know what I look like (because of covid, and we don't do video calls). (I am not OBC though) > Higher-caste Indians will also search social media accounts to ascertain a job candidate’s religious views or diet. I don't believe this at all. Feels like overexaggerating.

Yeah it is probably bullshit.
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