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Re: My Caste

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just posted this on a probably-dead thread about caste discrimination, but the short of it is the folks who wish to discriminate by caste have a variety of ways to determine what your caste is. From the Vice article below: Indians will not ask outright what caste you are, as it’s seen as overly discriminatory, but they use more subtle methods to identify your place in the caste structure. “Sometimes they ask, ‘Are…

> Indians will not ask outright what caste you are. My team lead asked me in a Teams call, lol. At that point, he doesn't even know what I look like (because of covid, and we don't do video calls). (I am not OBC though) > Higher-caste Indians will also search social media accounts to ascertain a job candidate’s religious views or diet. I don't believe this at all. Feels like overexaggerating.

> (I am not OBC though)

Life imitates art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taSH_nZkRdw

Re: My Caste

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just posted this on a probably-dead thread about caste discrimination, but the short of it is the folks who wish to discriminate by caste have a variety of ways to determine what your caste is. From the Vice article below: Indians will not ask outright what caste you are, as it’s seen as overly discriminatory, but they use more subtle methods to identify your place in the caste structure. “Sometimes they ask, ‘Are…

What could vegetarian by birth possibly mean

Most Brahmins (a caste) are vegetarian.

Re: My Caste

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post #21

Maybe, it is time to think what discriminations are, what caste-discriminations are: https://www.hipkapi.com/2011/03/24/normative-assumptions-dis...

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Re: My Caste

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I had a student in my class who wrote about being from a "low caste" background. So when a friend hosted a woman from India on her podcast who said there was so caste discrimination in India I spoke up about this. The podcast guest said that the fact that anyone in the west mentioned caste discrimination, even within western tech companies, was an act of racism against Indian culture and reflected colonial judgements…

That person should be banned from ever invoking "intersectionality" again. They've failed one of its most basic tests.

Re: My Caste

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I had a student in my class who wrote about being from a "low caste" background. So when a friend hosted a woman from India on her podcast who said there was so caste discrimination in India I spoke up about this. The podcast guest said that the fact that anyone in the west mentioned caste discrimination, even within western tech companies, was an act of racism against Indian culture and reflected colonial judgements…

ha this matches my observation

I think at this point we could just double down and say “I’m fighting colonialism, on the side of the colonizers”

Just throw the meme back, and still stamp out caste discrimination

“hey some cultural genocide is worth it” first, the reaction would be funny af, especially if all the “OBC’s” get the joke

Re: My Caste

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Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits.

The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1]

Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from Hisar/Jhunjunu side. Jatt is not lower caste. Ask my extremely casteist Jatt grandfather who uses Dalit caste names like Chamar, Gujjar, Kanjar, or Balmik as slurs. We became OBC because we burned shit down. The people who actually deserve some form of Affirmative Action didn't get any.

[0] - https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/haryana-kh...

[1] - https://theprint.in/opinion/security-code/reservations-for-k...

Re: My Caste

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post #7

> I was, however, not ready to publicly declare it until I received tenure as it seemed too risky Risk of what ? Seems a bit exaggerating. > There are at most five tenure-track faculty who belong to OBC category among all the faculty members in North America's "top" 50 CS departments > What evidence do I have to support my claim? And then continues to show castes of faculty at IIT. Am I missing something here ?

>Risk of what ? Seems a bit exaggerating.

There is a whole paragraph answering this question:

``` An uninitiated might be forgiven for not realizing that caste-based discrimination is rampant in India (yes, even among faculty members at IITs), and perhaps worse among Non-Resident Indians (NRIs). Therefore, there was always fear of what would a potential letter writer or someone on tenure evaluation committee think of me if they knew I belonged to OBC. It was the same fear that stopped me from mentioning anything about my caste in any of DEI statements that I prepared for the job search or tenure: I had to pretend not to know what it feels to be under-represented. ```

>> There are at most five tenure-track faculty who belong to OBC category among all the faculty members in North America's "top" 50 CS departments

The full quote is:

>I think I can summarize the lack of representation with the help of a claim that I believe is true: There are at most five tenure-track faculty who belong to OBC category among all the faculty members in North America's "top" 50 CS departments. Any reasonable process to pick 50 CS departments should suffice. I will, of course, be overjoyed to be corrected.

So, this is a claim they believe is true and would be happy to be corrected. Please go ahead and correct them if you disagree.

>And then continues to show castes of faculty at IIT.

This is literally preceded by

>You might ask: What evidence do I have to support my claim?

So, to lay it out for you:

1) Hypothesis: There is discrimination against OBC in academia

2) Evidence: The near absence of OBC professors in IITs

3) Prediction: This probably affects OBCs outside India as well

I am Indian, from an IIT, and I have seen this kind of knee-jerk dismissal from higher-caste Indians against any claims of discrimination more times than I can count. I do not believe you are making a good-faith argument here.

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