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Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I rather companies just be more clear and simplistic w/ their language.

They have to keep it vague for plausible deniability during potential lawsuits.

There is nothing to sue over since there is no law that says a business cannot reduce expenses for the purpose of reducing expenses.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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post #8

All I see in the article is the discussion of "profits". I would think the PR department could come up with something about "trying to keep costs competitive for our customers" or something like that. Instead they're telling California and Florida customers to take a hike ... along with 11% of their employees. When is the last time we heard a company enact a company-wide, 50% cut in officer's salaries and a freeze on…

I hate to be that person, but this is the future. Because of climate change, more of our country is barreling towards "uninhabitable". It's not Farmers fault that we released too much CO2 and now wildfires and hurricanes are way worse and getting even more worse. If the people of California and Florida want insurance so they can build matchbox houses in high risk disaster zones, then they can start a public insurance…

RE: this is the future, what is the reasoning behind the sudden (post COVID it seems) squeezing of profit from everywhere? Seems like every business is pushing profit over employees or customers. Price gauging, layoffs, all of it without any reason besides "more profit". Why the sudden influx of greed?

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investors for one, I get annoyed at overly generous executive pay because it costs me money.

It'd be great for investors if the top positions were paid mostly / entirely in stock. That way we can entice a good CEO with high pay and our interests will still align.

That leads to short term thinking and pumping of stocks, often done by firing R&D and maintenance people.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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I really don't think an insurance company should have 24,000 employees. Even 240 employees sounds like too many to me. They serve 10 million customers. Nearly every customer should be able to use an entirely automated online form for signing up and for making insurance claims. Claims should be settled entirely with the customer uploading a 1 minute video showing what damage occurred, plus the bill to fix it. Assume 1…

Roofers will absolutely love to exploit this kind of company.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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I really don't think an insurance company should have 24,000 employees. Even 240 employees sounds like too many to me. They serve 10 million customers. Nearly every customer should be able to use an entirely automated online form for signing up and for making insurance claims. Claims should be settled entirely with the customer uploading a 1 minute video showing what damage occurred, plus the bill to fix it. Assume 1…

I used to ask myself questions like this, then I actually worked at a large business with a real volume of customers and I started to understand why things are the way they are. Yes, you can find examples of bloat in any company - but you are probably talking about single digit percentages.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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All I see in the article is the discussion of "profits". I would think the PR department could come up with something about "trying to keep costs competitive for our customers" or something like that. Instead they're telling California and Florida customers to take a hike ... along with 11% of their employees. When is the last time we heard a company enact a company-wide, 50% cut in officer's salaries and a freeze on…

Could this also be as a result of cancelling policies in certain states? For example, withdrawing from Florida means an entire FLorida team/department is no longer required or in as much quantity.

Speaking to folks I know who work at Farmers, it's a mix of both. There are non-California and non-Florida working employees who were also laid off. No idea on the exact spread but it's not negligible.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

#38
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investors for one, I get annoyed at overly generous executive pay because it costs me money.

It'd be great for investors if the top positions were paid mostly / entirely in stock. That way we can entice a good CEO with high pay and our interests will still align.

They do. In the case of Farmers, see page 13.

https://www.zurich.com/-/media/project/zurich/dotcom/investo...

You can see executive compensation details in any 10-K. But people still like to use the nominal values of the shares to stoke emotions.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

#39
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be that person, but this is the future. Because of climate change, more of our country is barreling towards "uninhabitable". It's not Farmers fault that we released too much CO2 and now wildfires and hurricanes are way worse and getting even more worse. If the people of California and Florida want insurance so they can build matchbox houses in high risk disaster zones, then they can start a public insurance…

They did, from federal taxpayers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Flood_Insurance_Progr... From my understanding, this subsidy to people living in flood prone areas was basically untouchable due to Florida’s status as a swing state. I wonder if that has or will change due to Florida no longer being a swing state.

California also has a state backed earthquake insurance program.

Florida may turn into a swing state again. There's a lot of demographic changes occurring there.

Re: Farmers Insurance Laying Off 11% of Workforce, Citing Industry Challenges

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All I see in the article is the discussion of "profits". I would think the PR department could come up with something about "trying to keep costs competitive for our customers" or something like that. Instead they're telling California and Florida customers to take a hike ... along with 11% of their employees. When is the last time we heard a company enact a company-wide, 50% cut in officer's salaries and a freeze on…

Why are people surprised when a company operates in its’ own best interest? Why should we expect anything else? Insurance companies are just about moving dollars around and hedging risk. Being perturbed about this is like being mad about your dog barking at the mailman. If someone said I’m going to start free climbing the tallest buildings in the world - but I need insurance - the company will tell you to get lost be…

Re: FL & CA becoming uninsurable-- I have almost zero knowledge in that area.

I assume it's because of natural disasters such as Fires, Hurricanes, and sea level rise?

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