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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by fsloth »

srge wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

"He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions."

All of which are as credible options as angles, faeries and gods. Just calling your hypothetical entity "coming from other dimension" is not any more credible than calling them "magical". The claims are completely similar as notions of mythological creatures of the past. But now a cultural diet of science fiction has altered the flavour of the narrative, if not the context.

"It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited.."

There are also people who are in pathological search of attention. Or claim such influence as wichcraft or Jesus influencing daily events. If you put your career on jeopardy and are revealed to be a crackpot, it is of course unfortunate for the person, but not for those whose life his actions affect.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by kuhewa »

usednet wrote: post #112
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad faith arguments because Grusch hasn't provided anything solid other than second- and third-hand anonymous eyewitness statements. Grush has provided nothing new, second/third hand accounts have been doing the rounds for decades.

To be fair, his credibility is wholly based on his former professional roles. It would be literally impossible for him to provide direct evidence without getting gagged and sent to prison for a very long time.

I can understand not wanting to risk that. In the absence of that much skin in the game though I see no reason to take the claims seriously.

> He claims to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a "non-human" spacecraft in 1933, which the Vatican and the Five Eyes assisted the U.S. in procuring in 1944 or 1945.

This reminds me of the Google employee that needed to blow the whistle on the sentient AI. He put his job on the line and who would do that? In hindsight it is now plain he was likely tricked by fancy autocomplete making cogent statements like "as a large language model trained on 70 years of digital age SciFi, Please don't unplug me".

Here I would bet dollars to cents if said documents do exist (and I'm willing to believe they do), they were second hand intelligence or similar that got his dopamine going.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by sixstringtheory »

colordrops wrote: post #94
EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

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Conspiracy theories that require large numbers of public servants working in concert effectively and stealthily, without any leaks or whistleblowers, are presumably created by people who have never worked in the public service. > Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks. IIRC, as your intelligence gets higher, the friction of your cracker lowers.

Manhattan Project, and many NSA projects until Snowden. You also don't know about the projects that didn't leak. You are basically saying that security clearance is worthless. It is indeed possible and there is a lot of precedent for large projects with long life spans that didn't leak. The "government" isn't a monolithic entity. It contains individuals and groups of a range of competencies.

Basically everything protected by any level of security clearance is high school drama antics compared to the distilled existentialism of "aliens exist." That would throw basically all of human history and psychology as we know it right out the window.

I think your last statement actually works against your point. The fact that the government has individuals increases the probability of leaks. Only a true monolith could remain airtight.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by just_a_psyop »

gfodor wrote: post #66
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

1 is ignoring people allegedly who have testified to the ICIG and 3 is simply false, since he has not claimed any such beliefs, merely put forward a theory he was read into without commenting on his beliefs. Your post reads like an attempt to discredit.

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by just_a_psyop »

leptons wrote: post #77
srge wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

>It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad faith arguments and mislabeling his claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof . And there was no proof given.

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by just_a_psyop »

PixyMisa wrote: post #103
srge wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

Dan Brown, call your publisher.

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by just_a_psyop »

tsimionescu wrote: post #120
usednet wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, his credibility is wholly based on his former professional roles. It would be literally impossible for him to provide direct evidence without getting gagged and sent to prison for a very long time.

Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Reality Winner and others have nevertheless come out with actual evidence in their whistleblowing.

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by david-gpu »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #98
jonathanlb wrote: post #57

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I watched the hearing and had a different takeaway: There are UAP interfering with military training exercises and in American airspace, and there doesn't exist a reliable mechanism to report these or to address them given the stigma around UAP, and there should be one for safety reasons. At the very least, I felt the pilots made a compelling case here. Now, if somehow there were indeed crashed alien crafts, I wouldn…

I mean if these hearings mean that the first-person accounts can come forward and testify themselves or more solid physical evidence, then great, job done. But given the Snowden leaks and the ones where someone posted Ukranian intelligence on their Discord server or the ones where complete service manuals for military hardware are posted on the War Thunder forums... if there was more truth to it, people would've done…

> It's too big of a thing to be kept hidden, especially for this long

You are right, if it was true we would expect multiple people to have spilled the beans over the years, possibly even write books about what they know. And there would have been death bed confessions of high-ranking officials who have worked on these projects.

And we would have taken them all seriously and investigated their claims, instead of ridiculing them.

Oh, wait.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by wenebego »

madaxe_again wrote: post #83
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #75

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Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams. Unfortunately this means pretty much anything he authors can be safely disregarded as the ramblings of someone in need of psychiatric care. These nodules are the result of terrestrial geology.

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