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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Are you suggesting that there aren't lots of astrophysicists (and, ffs, astrobiologists) studying this already? SETI is a thing!

He's the face of the question because of his active pragmatism for an answer -however grandiose or queer - is magnitudes more vocal and free-thinking relative to the passive and resigned attempts of his cohorts at the institutions. It's sad to see his epic tainted with dismissal so shallowly here. If, as a certain admired man once said, "“extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”", then surely extraordinar…

It is not a virtue to be very loud about your research when you don't have the receipts to back it up. Material science just had a huge to-do about this with LK-99. People who are serious about finding extraterrestrial life don't make so much noise as Loeb - because there's not much to tell.

But the progress is actually tremendous. With the JWST we've been able to identify a chemical reaction in the atmosphere of a planet outside our solar system for the first time. We've recently "mapped" a planet outside our solar system for the first time (granted, the map was 1 pixel, identifying one part of the planet as darker than another).

This is the kind of work that could potentially identify extraterrestrial life. It's entirely possible (dare I say likely? That's a lay opinion to be clear) that we are, right now, gathering the data that will result in the first detection of extraterrestrial life (to be clear, I mean more along the lines of "extraterrestrial trees" than "little green men"). But it's slow, methodical work. And it could easily take several more decades.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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For context, this is a paper by Avi Loeb [1,2], the "Oumuamua is an interstellar spaceship" researcher. In this paper, Avi explores a possible interstellar origin meteorite. He used data from US air defence senors that had tracked a highly unusual atmospheric entry nearly a decade ago. This object was theorized as a possible extrasolar trajectory meteorite when it had entered the earth's atmosphere. [3,4] Avi recentl…

From this very paper:

> Another possibility is that this unfamiliar abundance pattern may reflect an extraterrestrial technological origin.

Gotta love unsubstantiated paradigm-destroying claims thrown in casually at the tail end of papers...

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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You are making exactly the same point I was making. * sans the quote from a random comedian

But Pauling didn't successfully "stretch his domain expertise" to vitamin supplements anymore than Carson stretched his to Egyptology. Not to mention Einstein's work as a comedian never really took off.

Either you're trolling or your comprehension is just totally off, but to reiterate the original point was that making breakthroughs in sciences often requires "leaps of faith", which are near impossible to do if you're a textbook rationalist.

I didn't make any claims about their domain expertise being cross-domain.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

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The Chief Scientist of US Space Operations Command "confirmed that the velocity estimate reported to NASA is sufficiently accurate to indicate an interstellar trajectory" [1] using "additional data available to the Department of Defense" which I assume is classified. As far as I can tell this paper isn't making any extraordinary claims about extraterrestrial intelligence [2] (which Loeb is infamous for), it's just co…

Other still disagree that the evidence claiming the object was interstellar is a done deal. >Skepticism about the endeavor flared at a recent Asteroids, Comets, Meteors Conference that occurred while the deep sea expedition was underway. There, Dr. Desch argued that had the fireball been moving as fast as reported, there would have been nothing left to find Also: >Dr. Brown also presented at the conference, describin…

So he’s arguing that with a certainty of 9.9999% they’re still mistaken? Anyone want to help the math on that?

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

>It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad faith arguments and mislabeling his claims.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And there was no proof given.

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Not the person that you asked but I think they’re full of it. Maybe they like to believe that the American government is powerful enough to control beings in possession of technology capable of interstellar travel. I don’t buy it. Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks.

Conspiracy theories that require large numbers of public servants working in concert effectively and stealthily, without any leaks or whistleblowers, are presumably created by people who have never worked in the public service. > Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks. IIRC, as your intelligence gets higher, the friction of your cracker lowers.

HN has taught me that Gov’t is utterly incompetent in every domain and that the MSM all a propaganda organ.

Except of course when the Venn diagram of what I Want To Believe intersects.

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But Pauling didn't successfully "stretch his domain expertise" to vitamin supplements anymore than Carson stretched his to Egyptology. Not to mention Einstein's work as a comedian never really took off.

Either you're trolling or your comprehension is just totally off, but to reiterate the original point was that making breakthroughs in sciences often requires "leaps of faith", which are near impossible to do if you're a textbook rationalist. I didn't make any claims about their domain expertise being cross-domain.

As a neutral observer, my read on this is that they are not trolling or misreading. Their comments seem relevant and accurate.

> I didn't make any claims about their domain expertise being cross-domain

Maybe you have a different understanding of "cross domain," but they represented what you said fairly.

> Perhaps the reason they could stretch their domain expertise so far was precisely because they kept their mind open.

(Emphasis added.)

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Oh it's Avi Loeb, head of the astronomy department at Harvard. Here's a youtube about what his deal is, by an astronomer who studied astronomy through postdoc level and then left for industry and doing some youtubes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY985qzn7oI

Yea let’s delegate all responsibility to an expert who can think for us instead of forming our own opinion from observation.
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