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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

Because scientific publications regularily get falsified. And have proofably been used to manipulate public perception of events.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

Bad faith arguments because Grusch hasn't provided anything solid other than second- and third-hand anonymous eyewitness statements. Grush has provided nothing new, second/third hand accounts have been doing the rounds for decades.

To be fair, his credibility is wholly based on his former professional roles. It would be literally impossible for him to provide direct evidence without getting gagged and sent to prison for a very long time.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

#113

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Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams. Unfortunately this means pretty much anything he authors can be safely disregarded as the ramblings of someone in need of psychiatric care. These nodules are the result of terrestrial geology.

> The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams.

What defines a good scientist is an open-minded attitude and going beyond the accepted status-quo. Who knows, maybe some aliens really contacted him in his dreams? But a scientific study has its rules anyway, and if methodology is correct, the author can believe in a spaghetti monster.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

He e can credit himself by providing something besides "some guy told me..."

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Avi Loeb is an interesting scientist. I read a longer article about him that gave some more background about his work [1]. While he is famous for going on podcasts and making wild claims about objects being signs of alien intelligence, the actual hard science that he's doing is interesting. E.g, this expedition he managed to get funding to recover these extrasolar particles. The clickbaity pop media says that this is…

What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

> He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

Irrespective of his field, that's about one every 18 days assuming a 40 year career (he's 62 now). There has to be certain amount of repetition and re-use of ideas to sustain that cadence. Also, the 800 includes books (greater than average effort) and co-authored papers (some effort shared with others).

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

#116

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

Science is always taken with salt!

More seriously - science produces contingent knowledge. Even the results of the LHC are to be taken with some salt because although the greatest and most honest minds of our generation work on them they likely won't ever be independently replicated.

All scientific knowledge has some doubt attached to it - after all, it's not maths!

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

#117
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"found about 700 spherules of diameter 0.05-1.3 millimeters" ... "0.26 km2 of seafloor was sampled" ... "seafloor depths ranging between 1.5-2.2 km" I'm imagining fine, dusty sand, falling from the atmosphere, sprinkling onto the surface of the ocean, then slowly drifting down 2 kilometers... and it ended up landing on the ocean floor REMOTELY near the path of the meteor? Wow, I feel like wind and ocean currents woul…

Is BeLaU the new LK99? =)

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

> He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field? Irrespective of his field, that's about one every 18 days assuming a 40 year career (he's 62 now). There has to be certain amount of repetition and re-use of ideas to sustain that cadence. Also, the 800 includes books (greater than average effort) and co-authored papers (some effort shared with others).

You gotta be Heisenberg to start publishing at 22 at this pace

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams. Unfortunately this means pretty much anything he authors can be safely disregarded as the ramblings of someone in need of psychiatric care. These nodules are the result of terrestrial geology.

> The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams. What defines a good scientist is an open-minded attitude and going beyond the accepted status-quo. Who knows, maybe some aliens really contacted him in his dreams? But a scientific study has its rules anyway, and if methodology is correct, the author can believe in a spaghetti monster.

Anyone can lie, and someone who believes extraordinary things may well be more likely to do so, even to themselves. So, based on the author's reputation, it could well make sense to apply more or less scrutiny to a paper.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Bad faith arguments because Grusch hasn't provided anything solid other than second- and third-hand anonymous eyewitness statements. Grush has provided nothing new, second/third hand accounts have been doing the rounds for decades.

To be fair, his credibility is wholly based on his former professional roles. It would be literally impossible for him to provide direct evidence without getting gagged and sent to prison for a very long time.

Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Reality Winner and others have nevertheless come out with actual evidence in their whistleblowing.
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