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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by Eji1700 »

tptacek wrote: post #27
sxp wrote: post #24

Avi Loeb is an interesting scientist. I read a longer article about him that gave some more background about his work [1]. While he is famous for going on podcasts and making wild claims about objects being signs of alien intelligence, the actual hard science that he's doing is interesting. E.g, this expedition he managed to get funding to recover these extrasolar particles. The clickbaity pop media says that this is…

What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

> He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

No...it really isn't.

If you want a very accurate and in depth breakdown of why, i suggest you watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY985qzn7oI

If you don't want to do the whole thing, just jump to his lovely little interaction with Jill Tarter.

Then look at all the comments trying to somehow give this snake oil salesman credibility. He's a publicity chaser who's past his prime and cashing in on his reputation and abusing his position. The fact harvard is profiting from it frankly is a disgrace.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

Even if they are extrasolar, it doesn't mean anything interesting. Everything in the solar system is extrasolar if you go back far enough, and of course material from outside the solar system arrives from time to time. The interesting thing the author wants so very badly to believe is that these little blobs of melted rock and metal were from some kind of technological contraption built by aliens.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by PixyMisa »

srge wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

Dan Brown, call your publisher.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by z7 »

madaxe_again wrote: post #83
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams. Unfortunately this means pretty much anything he authors can be safely disregarded as the ramblings of someone in need of psychiatric care. These nodules are the result of terrestrial geology.

>The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams.

Source?

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by EdwardDiego »

colordrops wrote: post #94
EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conspiracy theories that require large numbers of public servants working in concert effectively and stealthily, without any leaks or whistleblowers, are presumably created by people who have never worked in the public service. > Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks. IIRC, as your intelligence gets higher, the friction of your cracker lowers.

Manhattan Project, and many NSA projects until Snowden. You also don't know about the projects that didn't leak. You are basically saying that security clearance is worthless. It is indeed possible and there is a lot of precedent for large projects with long life spans that didn't leak. The "government" isn't a monolithic entity. It contains individuals and groups of a range of competencies.

> Manhattan Project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs

Won't point out all the double agents for the KGB that infested western spy agencies, (and vice versa) it's more of the same, really, and there's too many names to type. And those are only the ones we know of...

But yep, the NSA is a good counterexample, however also a poor one as they primarily operate in the signals/digital space, where passive monitoring is the default, and where paper trails are far easier to not leave.

As a thought experiment, extrapolate from the NSA to "the Bush administration did 9/11, jet fuel can't melt steel, it was a controlled demolition" conspiracy theory that implicitly requires government agents lining massive skyscrapers with explosives without being noticed, without anyone having a moral crisis, especially no-one in the "crash a plane allegedly filled with American citizens into a building in New York" division.

And you'll quickly see how the NSA's quiet operations in the small don't scale to the level of competent and silent government required for faking a moon landing, or ensuring no-one knows about aliens amongst us etc etc.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #75
botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by waihtis »

defrost wrote: post #86
waihtis wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either you're trolling or your comprehension is just totally off, but to reiterate the original point was that making breakthroughs in sciences often requires "leaps of faith", which are near impossible to do if you're a textbook rationalist. I didn't make any claims about their domain expertise being cross-domain.

At least we have a point of agreement, that being that: "Either you're trolling or your comprehension is just totally off" To return to the beginning you arrived here with the statement that "[Two times] Nobel prize winner and superior[(?)] neurosurgeon criticized as quacks by two internet users" I pointed out bad paraphrasing, both parties had recognised core skills, both famously championed beliefs that had little…

fair arguments, I revert my position and agree the wording may have been ambiguous on my behalf.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by jonathankoren »

srge wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

Just because someone said something ridiculous doesn’t mean that it’s automatically credible just because allegedly “put their career in jeopardy”. Who is even saying a career is in jeopardy besides the supposed martyr?

In a public forum, under my own name, i can. I no longer keep quiet. Greta Thurnberg kidnapped the Lindbergh baby. I know it’s such wild accusation, But I have so much to lose, over such a statement. Exposing myself to so much legal jeopardy, the conclusion is inescapable. It must be true. 20 year old Greta Thurnberg kidnapped Charles Lindbergh’s baby in 1930.

This is literally the same logic

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by retrocryptid »

Mystery-Machine wrote: post #17
botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Thanks for pointing that out! What are your thoughts on the latest UFO congressional hearing? Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

No. UFO evidence provided to congress is bunk. I know this because before we came to your planet from Zeta Reticuli, we made sure to build spacecraft that would be indistinguishable from optical artifacts produced by classified targeting systems of your primitive air vehicles.
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