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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by Jerrrry »

maxbond wrote: post #71
Jerrrry wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's the face of the question because of his active pragmatism for an answer -however grandiose or queer - is magnitudes more vocal and free-thinking relative to the passive and resigned attempts of his cohorts at the institutions. It's sad to see his epic tainted with dismissal so shallowly here. If, as a certain admired man once said, "“extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”", then surely extraordinar…

It is not a virtue to be very loud about your research when you don't have the receipts to back it up. Material science just had a huge to-do about this with LK-99. People who are serious about finding extraterrestrial life don't make so much noise as Loeb - because there's not much to tell. But the progress is actually tremendous. With the JWST we've been able to identify a chemical reaction in the atmosphere of a p…

>that we are, right now, gathering the data that will result in the first detection of extraterrestrial life

I agree; although bio-signatures may be the most currently poignant way of predicating the existence of life, there is almost always a suspicion of doubt - since its impossible to prove a negative - that some signatures may actually be of natural origin.

Techno-signatures, however, colossally mute that chance; and I hope we happen upon that vicissitude in our lifetime, however astronomically improbable that may be, from out light cone, to another.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by botanical »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #75
botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

Like this scientific report?

Retraction Note: A critical assessment of extreme events trends in times of global warming.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1140/epjp/s13360-023-04...

It also had "collected measurements". There are tonnes of nonsense scientific articles published (not saying this one is, but of this author that has made dubious and sensational claims). And unless there is scientific consensus, his wider claims should be treated with scepticism.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by stonogo »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #75
botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

Specifically, I think, we can take the sentence "Another possibility is that this unfamiliar abundance pattern may reflect an extraterrestrial technological origin" with a good serving of salt, even if the methodology is otherwise sound.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by colordrops »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #58
sixstringtheory wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person that you asked but I think they’re full of it. Maybe they like to believe that the American government is powerful enough to control beings in possession of technology capable of interstellar travel. I don’t buy it. Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks.

Conspiracy theories that require large numbers of public servants working in concert effectively and stealthily, without any leaks or whistleblowers, are presumably created by people who have never worked in the public service. > Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks. IIRC, as your intelligence gets higher, the friction of your cracker lowers.

Manhattan Project, and many NSA projects until Snowden. You also don't know about the projects that didn't leak.

You are basically saying that security clearance is worthless.

It is indeed possible and there is a lot of precedent for large projects with long life spans that didn't leak.

The "government" isn't a monolithic entity. It contains individuals and groups of a range of competencies.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #75
botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

I mean the measurements themselves may be fine, but the conclusions will require scrutiny.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by colordrops »

spaceywilly wrote: post #33
mdorazio wrote: post #2

This is very cool research (solid theory and data paired with "hands-on" activity across teams) and a well-presented finding. I'm hoping there's a chance to find larger samples in the future as well. Even if not, just the weird composition of the spherules is itself a massive find.

To me what’s cool about this is he came up with this theory about IM1, went out and figured out how to test his theory, and found exactly what he was expecting to find on the ocean floor. This is how you do science, kids.

Not according to all the anonymous keyboard warriors trashing him in other threads here.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jonathanlb wrote: post #57
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

I watched the hearing and had a different takeaway: There are UAP interfering with military training exercises and in American airspace, and there doesn't exist a reliable mechanism to report these or to address them given the stigma around UAP, and there should be one for safety reasons. At the very least, I felt the pilots made a compelling case here. Now, if somehow there were indeed crashed alien crafts, I wouldn…

I mean if these hearings mean that the first-person accounts can come forward and testify themselves or more solid physical evidence, then great, job done.

But given the Snowden leaks and the ones where someone posted Ukranian intelligence on their Discord server or the ones where complete service manuals for military hardware are posted on the War Thunder forums... if there was more truth to it, people would've done the whistleblowing already. And not via telling someone who tells someone who then testifies about it.

It's too big of a thing to be kept hidden, especially for this long. Are there any secrets from, say, 50 years ago still hidden? (it's a rhetorical question btw, it wouldn't be secret if we knew about it).

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

srge wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

Bad faith arguments because Grusch hasn't provided anything solid other than second- and third-hand anonymous eyewitness statements. Grush has provided nothing new, second/third hand accounts have been doing the rounds for decades.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by eesmith »

spaceywilly wrote: post #33
mdorazio wrote: post #2

This is very cool research (solid theory and data paired with "hands-on" activity across teams) and a well-presented finding. I'm hoping there's a chance to find larger samples in the future as well. Even if not, just the weird composition of the spherules is itself a massive find.

To me what’s cool about this is he came up with this theory about IM1, went out and figured out how to test his theory, and found exactly what he was expecting to find on the ocean floor. This is how you do science, kids.

Where's the control? If you go elsewhere in the Indian Ocean, are you likely to find a similar pattern?

From my reading, they went to one area, did two tracks outside that area, and compared the results.

Is that enough statistics? Are there runs inside of the area which are similar to runs outside the area? If you did the same search pattern elsewhere, what are the odds of finding something similar?

Even if this were an extrasolar meteor, it could hardly be the first, which means there should be other similar signatures all over the place.

Including in previous surveys of micrometeorites and spherules. Shouldn't there be an outlier cluster in all those data sets?

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