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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Thanks for pointing that out! What are your thoughts on the latest UFO congressional hearing? Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy.

It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad faith arguments and mislabeling his claims.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/the-ufo-whistleblowe...

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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I always think about how Ben Carson was one of the most skilled (if not the most skilled) neurosurgeons in the world, so knowledgeable about the human brain and so deft at operating on it that he was able to separate conjoined twins in a then-unprecedented procedure... and is also a creationist who believes that the Egyptian pyramids were biblical grain silos.

Linus Pauling is another example. The only person to ever receive two unshared Nobel prizes, considered one of the top 20 scientists of all time, and he was a huge proponent of megavitamin pseudoscience.

"Nobel prize winner and superior neurosurgeon criticized as quacks by two internet users"

Perhaps the reason they could stretch their domain expertise so far was precisely because they kept their mind open.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." - Einstein

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Linus Pauling is another example. The only person to ever receive two unshared Nobel prizes, considered one of the top 20 scientists of all time, and he was a huge proponent of megavitamin pseudoscience.

"Nobel prize winner and superior neurosurgeon criticized as quacks by two internet users" Perhaps the reason they could stretch their domain expertise so far was precisely because they kept their mind open. "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." - Einstein

Do please try and avoid (deliberate?) bad paraphrasing.

Both were widely recognised as more than a bit kooky outside of their core strengths.

"When a mind is opened that far, the brain often falls out." - Tim Minchin.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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"Nobel prize winner and superior neurosurgeon criticized as quacks by two internet users" Perhaps the reason they could stretch their domain expertise so far was precisely because they kept their mind open. "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." - Einstein

Do please try and avoid (deliberate?) bad paraphrasing. Both were widely recognised as more than a bit kooky outside of their core strengths. "When a mind is opened that far, the brain often falls out." - Tim Minchin.

You are making exactly the same point I was making.

* sans the quote from a random comedian

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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I always think about how Ben Carson was one of the most skilled (if not the most skilled) neurosurgeons in the world, so knowledgeable about the human brain and so deft at operating on it that he was able to separate conjoined twins in a then-unprecedented procedure... and is also a creationist who believes that the Egyptian pyramids were biblical grain silos.

>> that he was able to separate conjoined twins in a then-unprecedented procedure... Didn’t the twins like. Die? This is always brought up. Ben Carson separating twins. But like. They died. Multiple sets of conjoined people he operated on died I think. Why do people always bring this up without mentioning that the twins died To the best of my knowledge Ben Carson is and always has been a giant self aggrandizing douch…

I know with the Iranian twins who died (adult conjoined sisters), they were advised that it was a super risky procedure but wanted to go through with it anyway. Some of the other twins he's operated on had mixed results (i.e., one twin thrived but the other didn't, or both only lived a few years after being separated), but I think at least a few pairs have done pretty well.

My understanding is that separating craniopagus twins has a pretty high risk of complication/failure, even when you know what you're doing.

I also know for a fact that Carson's pioneered hemispherectomy as treatment for severe childhood seizures, and some of those kids are now happy and healthy adults: https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/jessie-hall-medical-m...

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy as a politician. But he knows his way around a brain.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Thanks for pointing that out! What are your thoughts on the latest UFO congressional hearing? Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

1 is ignoring people allegedly who have testified to the ICIG and 3 is simply false, since he has not claimed any such beliefs, merely put forward a theory he was read into without commenting on his beliefs. Your post reads like an attempt to discredit.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Whether or not other formations of molecules, Carbon(organic-based), Silicon, or otherwise similar elements of modest combinational reactive potential (Germanium?), outside of our planetary gravity well, have managed to arrange themselves -- despite increasing entropy, yet due to gravity itself -- in a manner of complexity large enough (in magnitudes) that, as an emergent property of its own existence, has given rise…

Are you suggesting that there aren't lots of astrophysicists (and, ffs, astrobiologists) studying this already? SETI is a thing!

He's the face of the question because of his active pragmatism for an answer -however grandiose or queer - is magnitudes more vocal and free-thinking relative to the passive and resigned attempts of his cohorts at the institutions.

It's sad to see his epic tainted with dismissal so shallowly here.

If, as a certain admired man once said, "“extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”", then surely extraordinary thought processes, ideas, and science may be needed.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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"if I can't explain it any other way then it must be aliens" feels very like "If I can't explain genetics any other way then it must be god and therefore evolution does not exist: its god" how about: "If I can't explain it because I am not competent then you are a fool for believing my reasoning why this is x and not y or z or a or b" He found a thing. It's unusual in composition and physical form. Therefore, we can…

I think you are confusing “alien” in the sense of “not from our solar system” with the green dudes with big eyes. I think his argument that this meteor (IM1) was not from our solar system is pretty compelling. It’s not “evidence of aliens,” it’s evidence of extrasolar origin of this particular meteor.

As long as he sticks to extrasolar but otherwise normal matter, I don't have a beef. The Oort cloud (as I understand it) is about as close to the edge of Solar you can get before it stops being our local region. Quite why you'd go beyond there, when its a) huge b) essentially uncharted waters and c) perfectly capable of providing novel chemical/isotopic materials in cometary form...

His other news presence went to pretty woo-woo theories fast. Thats the basis of my comment. If he's stopped with the aliens and "Oumuamua had a light sail" nonsense then I'm good.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Do please try and avoid (deliberate?) bad paraphrasing. Both were widely recognised as more than a bit kooky outside of their core strengths. "When a mind is opened that far, the brain often falls out." - Tim Minchin.

You are making exactly the same point I was making. * sans the quote from a random comedian

But Pauling didn't successfully "stretch his domain expertise" to vitamin supplements anymore than Carson stretched his to Egyptology.

Not to mention Einstein's work as a comedian never really took off.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Honestly I think it refutes itself, with the Pentagon clearance and Vatican conspiracy alone, without the political bank-shot argument.

First you hit Sy Hersh with the Vatican stuff, now the UFO people... Who's the Papal Security Agency cutout here?
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