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New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Obesity is caused by eating too much of the wrong thing. Which happens to be the cheap thing in industrialized mass produced Western food chains. Cheap in terms of dollars and personal time. So obesity is really an economic problem. We should come down like a ton of bricks on fast food and require they offer healthier options at low prices, subsidized by taxes on their unhealthier options.

How many people are going to go to McDonald and order to tofu instead of the burger exactly? What's more the problem isn't the mere choice of the burger its the choice of the double burger with bacon, super sizing it, adding fries and lets top it off which a chocolate shake. For practical purposes you either need to eat modestly at McDonalds or more realistically not eat at McDonalds very much.

You can replace McDonalds with "eating out" because you don't need to go crazy with supersizing and milkshakes to eat past your calorie budget in a single meal.

When we eat out, we easily eat 1000+ calories. That's over half the daily calorie budget of a 5'5 woman. Yet it's just one of the meals people eat in a day.

People like to come up with a bunch of reasons for why we eat too much or why the food we eat is somehow making us fatter than it might otherwise but we gloss over how trivial it is to overeat caloric dense foods even if "obesogens" and microplastics never existed.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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This is the third time this week I've seen a study related to microplastics. Should I be alarmed? If so, what can I even do? If I'm understanding these studies correctly, these microplastics are everywhere. In our bodies, in our water supplies, in our food. And we can't even get rid of them.

I’m personally exhausted from hearing about all the terrible stuff that’s happening that I have very little to no control over. I have seen countless articles about micro plastics, forever chemicals, fresh water supplies decreasing at alarming levels, Gulf Stream collapse, etc. It’s enough to make you feel nihilistic. A big part of me feels like these are government problems, as the average person is preoccupied with…

Keep in mind that there are dozens if not hundreds of different problems, each being presented as catastrophic. If it was all true to the degree claimed, we'd be in far worse shape. It's logically impossible for everything to be as bad as claimed.

In truth, we're doing pretty ok. There's just still lots of room for improvement.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Banning DDT was also incredibly inconvenient for farmers as DDT worked amazingly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring Human ingenuity knows no bounds and it will be a market opportunity for new entrants and innovators.

IIRC, cost-benefit analysis (even in terms of health and other human indicators) suggests we probably should have kept at least some uses of DDT, as a lot of people have died of malaria because we didn't.

I wonder if that factors in the health and ecological effects of atrazine, neonicotinoids, glyphosate, and other substances. Many of their effects are the same as the effects of the other substances being discussed ITT.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Obesity is caused in part by environmental toxins, probably to different extents in different people: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/19/environm... https://www.webmd.com/obesity/what-to-know-obesogens These so called "obesogens" just increase the propensity towards obesity and depending on exposure and your sensitivity to then, you can overcome them or not via exercise and dieting and other means.

The prevalence of sugar in so many foods can't help. Personally I avoid "sugary" food and drinks like the plague. I also don't snack and do regular exercise and sometimes don't eat dinner. I'm at a healthy weight in my 40s. How many adults that are obese have a healthy relationship with food and do regular exercise / fast? Obese children I have sympathy for, I'm uncertain how I feel about obese adults. I don't know i…

Sugar was common in foods for many generations.

High fructose corn syrup is relatively new.

So are many sugar substitutes.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Obesity is caused by eating too much. If you don’t eat then you won’t gain weight, there is no subverting the laws of thermodynamics. It sounds callous but if you go to Africa or visit a prisoner of war camp you won’t find many fat people and so blaming chemicals in America for so many fat people doesn’t make much sense to me.

True in the technical sense, but it doesn’t address the mystery that in the 40s, 50s, 60s people in rich countries had access to plenty of food, ate lots of calories, and yet obesity was very rare.

That’s no mystery. The amount of calories the average person expends has decreased as we’ve become more sedentary.

In the 40s, 50s, and 60s most people did manual labor and even office jobs were not as sedentary since you couldn’t just sit at a computer.

Here’s another simple overlooked example, grocery shopping, before the rise of superstores you’d go into town and visit 4 different stores. The butcher, the hardware store, the grocer, the pharmacist etc. now it’s all in one big store all next to each other.

Here’s another example lawn mowing. Back then most people had manual lawnmowers.

Here’s another example the moving of goods. Go look up a picture of the manual labor involved in being a stevedore back then versus now and that’ll give you an idea of how much less physical exertion is needed these days even in jobs that are still considered manual labor.

Overall I think solely blaming plastic for obesity is an oversimplification and assuredly wrong, although it could have some affect there are a lot of other things going on.

Declines in fertility and IQ are most likely due to obesity so it’s a big issue.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Also the metabolic syndrome/obesity epidemic. 40% of US adults have obesity. By 2030 about half of US adults will, and in 29 states more than half of adults will be obese. We see obesity becoming increasingly normalized. People feel powerless to stop it and that we should just accept it. It feels to me like there is something besides diet changes happening to us. That's part of it, but I wonder if microplastics or so…

>It feels to me like there is something besides diet changes happening to us. Cars?

The switch from leaded to unleaded gas would roughly coincide. Interesting!

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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How many people are going to go to McDonald and order to tofu instead of the burger exactly? What's more the problem isn't the mere choice of the burger its the choice of the double burger with bacon, super sizing it, adding fries and lets top it off which a chocolate shake. For practical purposes you either need to eat modestly at McDonalds or more realistically not eat at McDonalds very much.

You can replace McDonalds with "eating out" because you don't need to go crazy with supersizing and milkshakes to eat past your calorie budget in a single meal. When we eat out, we easily eat 1000+ calories. That's over half the daily calorie budget of a 5'5 woman. Yet it's just one of the meals people eat in a day. People like to come up with a bunch of reasons for why we eat too much or why the food we eat is someh…

Which is why we can't fix or even effect in any meaningful way by making McD offer lighter fare. What ends up happening is we end up paying a bunch of assholes with masters degrees to administer the program. McDonald's pays a bunch of assholes with bachelors degrees to figure out how to maximize their gain. Before long they are touting their healthful options which take up about 6sq inches on their board on commercials so that people don't feel bad or unhealthy when they roll up to the drive through window even though they actually ordered the double quarter pounder and the ass expander 2000 shake.

Fast forward a little bit and their lobbyists have convinced government to further incentivize healthy options by paying Restaurants that implement absolutely meaningless standards that do nothing for anything and we are actually subsidizing giant asses whose milkshake brings all the obesity adjacent diseases to the yard.

If you actually want to disincentivize negative things you have to either actually forbid them or just make it more expensive. Incentives will always be gamed and end up as free giveways. See bullshit carbon credits.

Want people to eat fewer big macs? Tax them at 100% and watch most of the cheap fast food implode and cease to exist. Want those people not to starve watch in amazement at a virtue of UBI you can tax things out of existence that destroy people's health without starving people.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obesity is caused in part by environmental toxins, probably to different extents in different people: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/19/environm... https://www.webmd.com/obesity/what-to-know-obesogens These so called "obesogens" just increase the propensity towards obesity and depending on exposure and your sensitivity to then, you can overcome them or not via exercise and dieting and other means.

The prevalence of sugar in so many foods can't help. Personally I avoid "sugary" food and drinks like the plague. I also don't snack and do regular exercise and sometimes don't eat dinner. I'm at a healthy weight in my 40s. How many adults that are obese have a healthy relationship with food and do regular exercise / fast? Obese children I have sympathy for, I'm uncertain how I feel about obese adults. I don't know i…

> Obese children I have sympathy for, I'm uncertain how I feel about obese adults

Why would you not have sympathy for someone suffering? Even if it's theoretically their own doing most people don't want to be obese.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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I’ve been saying it for a while now and am unfortunately feeling more confident.

Microplastics are the next lead emissions style issue that’ll end up being linked to widespread socio-behavioral decline and health issues.

Except it’ll be worse due to the far more prevalent and widespread use of plastics. It’ll be as if we used lead to make _everything_ and then found out lead is bad.

Re: New study finds microplastics infiltrate all systems of body, alter behaviour

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> The first is the Flynn effect, which was rising IQ levels decade over decade, which halted and then reserved for most Western nations around 1990s/2000s and then started to reverse a bit: Same point in time where people started to get cell phones and be always connected to the internet.

Underrated comment. When I was growing up I would often read books and do math problems for fun because there was not much else to do. Now I am constantly on the internet watching things and using my brain very little.

I was solving crosswords.
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