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Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #20
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #19

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>>>once you ban straws the next thing you know you might actually deal with the main cause of climate change and we wouldn't want that now would we. How are you going to deal with solar radiation, earth's position and orientation, the jet stream, and water vapor?

Can you cite a source that suggests those 5 things combined are a bigger impact than the real actual accepted by science singular main cause? I'm prepared to let it slide that you've named 5 different things as I think you're still factually incorrect even if I let you clump them together.

This is a joke, right? You're saying the sun, the Milankovitch cycle, water vapor, and other natural processes have less of an impact on climate than humanity? Care to explain how? That's hilarious. LMAO!!!!

The sun puts 4.4 x 1016 watts into Earth each year. How much does humanity put?

Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #21
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite a source that suggests those 5 things combined are a bigger impact than the real actual accepted by science singular main cause? I'm prepared to let it slide that you've named 5 different things as I think you're still factually incorrect even if I let you clump them together.

This is a joke, right? You're saying the sun, the Milankovitch cycle, water vapor, and other natural processes have less of an impact on climate than humanity? Care to explain how? That's hilarious. LMAO!!!! The sun puts 4.4 x 1016 watts into Earth each year. How much does humanity put?

You appear to have misread the part of my comment that you quoted. I said:

> the main cause of climate change

You for some reason thought I was talking about the "main cause of climate". What an odd misreading.

But at least you're not making wildly inaccurate claims about climate change, just missing the point. You do believe in the accepted scientific consensus on climate change right? Now that we've established we're talking about climate change, and not just the climate.

Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #22
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a joke, right? You're saying the sun, the Milankovitch cycle, water vapor, and other natural processes have less of an impact on climate than humanity? Care to explain how? That's hilarious. LMAO!!!! The sun puts 4.4 x 1016 watts into Earth each year. How much does humanity put?

You appear to have misread the part of my comment that you quoted. I said: > the main cause of climate change You for some reason thought I was talking about the "main cause of climate". What an odd misreading. But at least you're not making wildly inaccurate claims about climate change, just missing the point. You do believe in the accepted scientific consensus on climate change right? Now that we've established we'…

The only system that causes climate change is the sun-earth-water heat dynamic. Everything else is just religious bleating and used-car salesmanship.

Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #23
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You appear to have misread the part of my comment that you quoted. I said: > the main cause of climate change You for some reason thought I was talking about the "main cause of climate". What an odd misreading. But at least you're not making wildly inaccurate claims about climate change, just missing the point. You do believe in the accepted scientific consensus on climate change right? Now that we've established we'…

The only system that causes climate change is the sun-earth-water heat dynamic. Everything else is just religious bleating and used-car salesmanship.

OK.

For those interested in reality:

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/causes-o...

Covers the contribution of these natural variations to climate change.

> Natural climate cycles can change the temperature of Earth, but the changes we are seeing are happening at a scale and speed that natural cycles cannot explain. These cycles affect the global temperature for years, or sometimes just months, not the 100 years that we have observed. Meanwhile, longer-term changes like Milankovitch cycles and solar irradiance take thousands and thousands of years.

Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by bertil »

whelp_24 wrote: post #18
bertil wrote: post #8

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Wax is great, but it isn’t as likely to stick to smooth surfaces for long periods, or if things get hot or abrasive. It’s good on cloth, covering a dish you put in the fridge — but not sure how it would work with burger wrappers or cups of hot coffee, that are where most PFAS are used. I’d love to check if, in a straw, it would be perceptible. Metal straws remain the simplest solution.

Can't metal straws literally impale you?

I usually use them to drink, but yeah… So can forks, knives, and if you’ve seen Kateshi Kitano’s _Fireworks (1997) - Hana-bi_, chopsticks.

Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by dhfjfhfh »

whelp_24 wrote: post #18
bertil wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wax is great, but it isn’t as likely to stick to smooth surfaces for long periods, or if things get hot or abrasive. It’s good on cloth, covering a dish you put in the fridge — but not sure how it would work with burger wrappers or cups of hot coffee, that are where most PFAS are used. I’d love to check if, in a straw, it would be perceptible. Metal straws remain the simplest solution.

Can't metal straws literally impale you?

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Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by MichaelZuo »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #24
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only system that causes climate change is the sun-earth-water heat dynamic. Everything else is just religious bleating and used-car salesmanship.

OK. For those interested in reality: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/causes-o... Covers the contribution of these natural variations to climate change. > Natural climate cycles can change the temperature of Earth, but the changes we are seeing are happening at a scale and speed that natural cycles cannot explain. These cycles affect the global temperature for years, or sometimes just months, not t…

The parent has a point that if these natural cycles change even slightly, however unlikely that may be, it will swamp out any effect humanity has made up til 2023, heck maybe even 10x everything humans have done.

Re: Paper Straws Have Higher 'Forever Chemical' Concentration Than Plastic Straws

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Post by InSteady »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #27
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. For those interested in reality: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/causes-o... Covers the contribution of these natural variations to climate change. > Natural climate cycles can change the temperature of Earth, but the changes we are seeing are happening at a scale and speed that natural cycles cannot explain. These cycles affect the global temperature for years, or sometimes just months, not t…

The parent has a point that if these natural cycles change even slightly, however unlikely that may be, it will swamp out any effect humanity has made up til 2023, heck maybe even 10x everything humans have done.

Yes and if the sun blinks out tomorrow that will be the biggest effect of all. Remind me again why that is worth talking about, other than to distract and detract from a discussion of climate change?
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