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what on earth does the Fed have to do with self-protection?
Just read it as “the government”; I don’t believe they are talking about the federal reserve
LOL the fed, yeah them too!
‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store
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Where in the Bay Area do you currently live? We are talking about market street sf here, not sea cliff.
Lived, sorry, typo, for 2 years. I’m pretty familiar with market street. Heck, I worked right next to the Caltrain station for a year, that area isn’t the nicest.
"Right next to the Caltrain station" on 4th and King is way, way nicer than the problem parts of Market Street. There is no comparison.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I said starting to resemble. I referenced a Walgreens, so obviously they still have stores.
If SF was starting to resemble a place without grocery stores, I would expect few grocery stores. Instead I found hundreds.
Downtown Detroit had large department stores too. They all closed. This was the beginning of the spiral downward. If things continue, SF will look like Detroit in 10 years.
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#114‘The dynamics of the downtown San Francisco market have changed dramatically’: Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store that’s 35 years old : https://archive.is/ozsZh
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Change your DNS
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whole Foods just broke ground in the Western Addition, Lucky opened a new store in the Bayview, and a whole new local grocery chain called Luke's just sprang into existence in the last year.
Flagship Whole Foods on market just shut down because of safety reasons. https://abc7.com/amp/whole-foods-san-francisco-store-closing...
They opened a Whole Foods in a location that has been problematic for at least 50 years and then complain about all the crime in the area. Whatever…
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#116That place lost a dramatic amount of foot traffic. But all these things have been a long time coming. Many big employers were already moving out of SF when the pandemic hit. PG&E and Bank of America were already out. Citi and McKesson are both going. And all the tech companies, of course. SF is a pretty parochial city and has attempted to keep local homeowner taxes as low as possible by extracting it from employers t…
San Francisco has no real say in setting of property taxes due to prop 13, passed way back in the 1970s.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lived, sorry, typo, for 2 years. I’m pretty familiar with market street. Heck, I worked right next to the Caltrain station for a year, that area isn’t the nicest.
"Right next to the Caltrain station" on 4th and King is way, way nicer than the problem parts of Market Street. There is no comparison.
No it’s not. Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. It’s not like we didn’t walk to market often enough for lunch.
I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones. SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
We shouldn’t tolerate shoplifters either. Theft is theft.
But shoplifting is different from organized smash-and-grab gangs; different causes, different solutions. Conflating all retail theft is simply misleading.
> But shoplifting is different from organized smash-and-grab gangs
Correct and irrelevant: they are both forms of theft.
> different causes, different solutions.
Different motivations is more accurate. There also isn’t a “solution” per se, but suppression tactics do exist if you have both a PD and a DA worth a damn.
> Conflating all retail theft is simply misleading.
I didn’t. I pointed out the obvious: theft is theft. This is a commonality between “shoplifting” and “smash and grab”. The first term downplays the violence against the storeowners by people taking their stuff (cuz it could be worse, armed robbery is also a form of theft so as much as I detest softening euphemisms, the distinction isn’t useless) and the other paints a more violent and organized picture of people taking their stuff, but ultimately the act that both describe is theft.
Either way, they are criminal activities that ought to be suppressed. We shouldn’t be tolerant to thieves.
Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store
#119That place lost a dramatic amount of foot traffic. But all these things have been a long time coming. Many big employers were already moving out of SF when the pandemic hit. PG&E and Bank of America were already out. Citi and McKesson are both going. And all the tech companies, of course. SF is a pretty parochial city and has attempted to keep local homeowner taxes as low as possible by extracting it from employers t…
San Francisco has no real say in setting of property taxes due to prop 13, passed way back in the 1970s.
That's true, but it seems irrelevant. Mind explaining the connection with what I said more directly?
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Right next to the Caltrain station" on 4th and King is way, way nicer than the problem parts of Market Street. There is no comparison.
No it’s not. Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. It’s not like we didn’t walk to market often enough for lunch. I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones. SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.
>Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market.
Your definition of "many" differs from that of the rest of us. I lived in that exact area for years. As I said, there is no comparison whatsoever between there and the problem parts of Market Street in terms of homeless (whether defecating or not) or other things, like public drug use. To claim otherwise is a blatant lie.
>I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones.
I have only visited Detroit once, years ago, so cannot personally make a current comparison between the two. SF has not (yet) reached the point where (as I remember seeing) entire blocks are completely burned down and empty, but that's hardly a high standard to meet. The people here who are making the Detroit comparisons aren't saying otherwise; they are warning that we may see a similar civic collapse, in kind if not necessarily in scale.
>SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.
Ah yes, the old claim that "[insert city here] gives bus tickets to their homeless to go to San Francisco". Maybe this happened in the past, but 87% of surveyed homeless have lived in SF for more than one year, and 35% for ten or more years. https://sfstandard.com/2023/05/22/san-francisco-homeless-peo...>