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‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

lusus_naturae wrote: post #3

I fail to understand how this is different from organized rings of train robbers in the old, old west. Maybe we need modern day cowboys now (per my recollection, cowboys played both sides of the law)? Most likely we'll have security drones, like Boston Dynamics's robot dog. Edit to say that having people hounded by security drones sounds like a terrible state of affairs. Having businesses robbed by organized gangs do…

Maybe you need better wealth redistribution, higher taxes, better schools, better gun control, it's different from back then because now there are rights, institutions.. the fact that someone in US on this place, that is supposed to be like a place where you find people with a certain brain power, to me it's sign of a certain decadence if the people with supposedly brain of a country say that the answer to modern crime is modern robots cowboys, it's one of those situations where one doesn't know if it has to cry or to laugh

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delecti wrote: post #24
wait_a_minute wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Despite calls to defund the police, it hasn't happened, basically anywhere (and certainly not in any big cities). From last October: > Police department budget up 4.4% since 2019, despite SF officials making bold promises to defund https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-departmen... The police budgets are as bloated as ever, and they remain as useless as ever.

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Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by eli »

evouga wrote: post #28
tedajax wrote: post #23

Another store lying about "crime" being the reason they're closing.

The store may or may not be telling the truth. Either way, it's undeniable that SF has changed dramatically over the last several years, with dramatic upswing in property crime and complete unwillingness on the part of law enforcement to fight it.

Sure but there's been a MUCH more dramatic shift around retail stores and how Americans buy goods.

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Post by rightbyte »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #22
DylanDmitri wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the people working at a store can’t afford any apartment within a forty minute commute the store will fail.

Yet San Francisco continues to have min wage workers.

Never ending stream of suckers that has not realized that it doesn't work out yet. Like Uber drivers that are selling their car at a loss one mile at a time.

Some might be living in rent controlled flats though.

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Post by [deleted] »

RC_ITR wrote: post #30
wait_a_minute wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

San Francisco needs more police officers.

Please stop trying to make flamewars happen in a forum specifically moderated to not have them. You have literally everywhere else on the internet to argue left vs right, some people want to have a different style of debate and come here for it (since it is designed for that different kind of debate). EDIT: To be clear, that different style of debate is trying to understand and solve problems rather than just lay bla…

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Post by duskwuff »

johnny99k wrote: post #29
Tiktaalik wrote: post #21

> the latest retailer to capitulate to rising crime and lower foot traffic. Nordstrom also bailed on the entirety of the Canadian market. Was that also due to crime in SF? It's difficult to communicate and explain the enormous secular and systemic rippling shifts in economic conditions that have followed the pandemic and the shift to work from home, particularly and extraordinarily pronounced in SF for various reason…

doubtful? Have you see the crime in SF? Walgreens has to have nearly everything locked up. You are right though. It's not just the crime. It's because the current government isn't willing to prosecute criminals that are stealing from these businesses. SF is starting to resemble Detroit, which has nearly no grocery stores in the city limits because of rampant crime.

> SF is starting to resemble Detroit

Ways you can tell that someone has never been to either San Francisco nor Detroit: a case in point.

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Post by jeffbee »

johnny99k wrote: post #29
Tiktaalik wrote: post #21

> the latest retailer to capitulate to rising crime and lower foot traffic. Nordstrom also bailed on the entirety of the Canadian market. Was that also due to crime in SF? It's difficult to communicate and explain the enormous secular and systemic rippling shifts in economic conditions that have followed the pandemic and the shift to work from home, particularly and extraordinarily pronounced in SF for various reason…

doubtful? Have you see the crime in SF? Walgreens has to have nearly everything locked up. You are right though. It's not just the crime. It's because the current government isn't willing to prosecute criminals that are stealing from these businesses. SF is starting to resemble Detroit, which has nearly no grocery stores in the city limits because of rampant crime.

Whole Foods just broke ground in the Western Addition, Lucky opened a new store in the Bayview, and a whole new local grocery chain called Luke's just sprang into existence in the last year.

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Post by nradov »

lusus_naturae wrote: post #3

I fail to understand how this is different from organized rings of train robbers in the old, old west. Maybe we need modern day cowboys now (per my recollection, cowboys played both sides of the law)? Most likely we'll have security drones, like Boston Dynamics's robot dog. Edit to say that having people hounded by security drones sounds like a terrible state of affairs. Having businesses robbed by organized gangs do…

Enforcing the law is necessary but not sufficient. In order for luxury retailers to succeed in a particular area they have to present a safe and comfortable experience to affluent shoppers. Having a bunch of Dalek like security robots roaming the store isn't compatible with that experience.

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Post by bastawhiz »

Malls have been on the decline for decades. The two malls closest to me put a "no unattended minors" policy in place. When I was a teenager, you just...went to the mall. Mall management is choking off a huge source of foot traffic to avoid the hassle of telling kids to stop fucking around.

The closest mall to me has lost two of its anchor stores. One of the malls near my old apartment in Chicago had a theater, an axe throwing venue...and some offices to fill some of the dozens of vacant retail locations. It's been in a downward spiral for years. Loss of visitors has led to more loss of visitors, shoplifting aside.

And what happens when the "legitimate" foot traffic goes away? The shops are empty. Not just from shoppers, but from staff. I wanted to buy a dress shirt a couple weeks ago at my local Macy's. I walked around the floor for nearly 15 minutes and couldn't find a single employee. There was one at a single checkout in a back corner. And so why is it a surprise that when shoppers disappear, staff is cut, and the shoplifting rate goes up? It seems obvious to me.

These big stores should have fewer locations that are smaller and more well-maintained. Spread themselves less thin and whole-ass the stores that they can actually afford to staff and secure.

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