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‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by Tiktaalik »

> the latest retailer to capitulate to rising crime and lower foot traffic.

Nordstrom also bailed on the entirety of the Canadian market. Was that also due to crime in SF?

It's difficult to communicate and explain the enormous secular and systemic rippling shifts in economic conditions that have followed the pandemic and the shift to work from home, particularly and extraordinarily pronounced in SF for various reasons much more so than other places in the world.

A much easier story to solely blame localized crime. It is doubtful this is the real cause.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by throwawaysleep »

DylanDmitri wrote: post #12
lusus_naturae wrote: post #3

I fail to understand how this is different from organized rings of train robbers in the old, old west. Maybe we need modern day cowboys now (per my recollection, cowboys played both sides of the law)? Most likely we'll have security drones, like Boston Dynamics's robot dog. Edit to say that having people hounded by security drones sounds like a terrible state of affairs. Having businesses robbed by organized gangs do…

If the people working at a store can’t afford any apartment within a forty minute commute the store will fail.

Yet San Francisco continues to have min wage workers.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by delecti »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #14
fourseventy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of giving criminals UBI how about the police actually enforce shoplifting crime?

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Despite calls to defund the police, it hasn't happened, basically anywhere (and certainly not in any big cities). From last October:

> Police department budget up 4.4% since 2019, despite SF officials making bold promises to defund

https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-departmen...

The police budgets are as bloated as ever, and they remain as useless as ever.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by SllX »

QuercusMax wrote: post #7
Bostonian wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Part of the issue is that articles like this one tend to conflate individual poor people shoplifting small items with these organized gangs. These gangs aren't shoplifters, and calling them such is extremely misleading.

We shouldn’t tolerate shoplifters either. Theft is theft.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by wait_a_minute »

RC_ITR wrote: post #10
Bostonian wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Please don’t start political flame wars on here for no reason. Your point is not amplified by doing that.

San Francisco needs more police officers.

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Post by evouga »

tedajax wrote: post #23

Another store lying about "crime" being the reason they're closing.

The store may or may not be telling the truth. Either way, it's undeniable that SF has changed dramatically over the last several years, with dramatic upswing in property crime and complete unwillingness on the part of law enforcement to fight it.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by johnny99k »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #21

> the latest retailer to capitulate to rising crime and lower foot traffic. Nordstrom also bailed on the entirety of the Canadian market. Was that also due to crime in SF? It's difficult to communicate and explain the enormous secular and systemic rippling shifts in economic conditions that have followed the pandemic and the shift to work from home, particularly and extraordinarily pronounced in SF for various reason…

doubtful? Have you see the crime in SF? Walgreens has to have nearly everything locked up.

You are right though. It's not just the crime. It's because the current government isn't willing to prosecute criminals that are stealing from these businesses.

SF is starting to resemble Detroit, which has nearly no grocery stores in the city limits because of rampant crime.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Post by RC_ITR »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #26
RC_ITR wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t start political flame wars on here for no reason. Your point is not amplified by doing that.

San Francisco needs more police officers.

Please stop trying to make flamewars happen in a forum specifically moderated to not have them.

You have literally everywhere else on the internet to argue left vs right, some people want to have a different style of debate and come here for it (since it is designed for that different kind of debate).

EDIT: To be clear, that different style of debate is trying to understand and solve problems rather than just lay blame for political points.

EDIT2: Please focus on the constructive part of your statements. I think it’s fine you want to hire more police, that was not the rule breaking part of your argument (the entire argument had to follow the rules). The mostly unrelated attacks on straw men political parties and specific politicians are the problem.

EDIT3: I agree that more police officers may be part of the solution. I think they are not, however, a panacea and we should spend more time thinking about the aspirations of what we want downtown SF to be more than thinking about how to remove people we do not like from it.

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