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Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by CharlesW »

> But this latest change takes the cake. It is ugly. If the page has a scrollbar at document level, the web page will get rounded corner only at the top left, not the top right, thus losing symmetry. For example, go to CNN or Github.

Neither of these pages has rounded corners for me on 116.0.1938.62 on macOS. What platform are you on?

(To be pedantic: The bottom left corner is rounded when not full-screen because it's a window corner, but that's normal and happens with all browsers.)

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by zzo38computer »

db48x wrote: post #14
breadwinner wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If those are user's preferences then that's OK! But they are not. Can we all agree that having top-left corner be rounded, while leaving top-right corner square is just dumb? Can we all agree that a white border on a dark-mode page is stupid as heck? This is what happens when browser makers interfere with web application design.

No, I don't want to go around dividing those things into “accessibility” and “merely aesthetic” buckets, and then only allow the things in the first bucket. For one thing, some of them are both. I can and do apply custom style sheets to all kinds of web pages, which make all kinds of changes that the web designer might not like. Some of them improve the aesthetics according to my idiosyncratic preferences, others imp…

> No, I don't want to go around dividing those things into “accessibility” and “merely aesthetic” buckets, and then only allow the things in the first bucket. For one thing, some of them are both.

I agree, and want to allow everything. Actually, I think perhaps all of them are both, and anyways the end user should control and configure all of them.

> If you are speaking as a web designer, then you don’t get to complain about rounded corners on the viewport.

I think the web designer may have a reasonable complaint about the browser doing that by default with no option to disable it, since that makes it difficult for everyone. However, the user has a better and even more valid complaint about this, especially if it cannot be turned off. However, if the end user adds the rounded corners deliberately then it is not for the web designer to complain about the user's preferences.

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by zzo38computer »

lolinder wrote: post #4

A screenshot and explanation of how to turn this off can be found here [0]. > Edge is breaking this cardinal rule: Browser chrome belongs to the browser, but the content area belongs to the application alone. It's funny, for me this is not at all what the web is about. I see CSS styles as at best a suggestion for how the website would like to be rendered, but the browser is fundamentally a user agent that can render…

> Web applications should be designed with this in mind: control of the client experience is in the hands of the user or the user's agent. ... web apps that obsess over having minute control over every detail of the presentation tend to be clunky, nonresponsive and inaccessible.

You are right; I agree.

However, the web browser designs tend to make things difficult, and the specifications of W3C can also make things difficult because they are excessively complicated.

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by wkat4242 »

It also provides this unwanted bullshit like coupon notifications and buy now pay later scams. I know it can be turned off but it should never have been included. Really, I don't know why people still use it. If you want chrome, just use the real thing.

The only reason I use it is Microsoft lobbied my work to make it the "official" browser. Not sure why they're so proud of their copy of Google's stuff with a thin layer of Microsoft veneer. I don't find it a strong selling point of a software company when they have to admit someone else does a better job.

Personally I just use Firefox and love it.

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by wkat4242 »

lolinder wrote: post #4

A screenshot and explanation of how to turn this off can be found here [0]. > Edge is breaking this cardinal rule: Browser chrome belongs to the browser, but the content area belongs to the application alone. It's funny, for me this is not at all what the web is about. I see CSS styles as at best a suggestion for how the website would like to be rendered, but the browser is fundamentally a user agent that can render…

> It's funny, for me this is not at all what the web is about. I see CSS styles as at best a suggestion for how the website would like to be rendered, but the browser is fundamentally a user agent that can render stuff however the user likes. If you don't like how Edge renders things, you can always switch to a different browser or change the settings.

I agree but this is something that Google is trying to break with WEI by banning modified or "untrustworthy" browsers.

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