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Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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breadwinner wrote: post #10
lolinder wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to OP's list of things they change: > I want the browser to act as my agent, following my preferences in all things. I set a minimum font size, I control which fonts pages may use, I control when they may run scripts, when they may have videos or sound, what form controls (buttons, text inputs, etc) look like, when they may load content from third–party domains, etc, etc. Some of these are privacy consi…

You are conflating design/aesthetic choices with accessibility. The browser designer is enforcing their aesthetic choices (which happens to be ugly and inconsistent) on their users. That's OK if it only impacts the browser chrome. If it impacts the content area, then the browser designer should defer to the application designer. > you should expect browsers to modify your designs to meet user needs. As a user, I don'…

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Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

#12

Post by lolinder »

breadwinner wrote: post #10
lolinder wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to OP's list of things they change: > I want the browser to act as my agent, following my preferences in all things. I set a minimum font size, I control which fonts pages may use, I control when they may run scripts, when they may have videos or sound, what form controls (buttons, text inputs, etc) look like, when they may load content from third–party domains, etc, etc. Some of these are privacy consi…

You are conflating design/aesthetic choices with accessibility. The browser designer is enforcing their aesthetic choices (which happens to be ugly and inconsistent) on their users. That's OK if it only impacts the browser chrome. If it impacts the content area, then the browser designer should defer to the application designer. > you should expect browsers to modify your designs to meet user needs. As a user, I don'…

> There is no way to turn off these "enhancements".

It sounds like there will be. In the meantime, Edge is not the only browser available to you, and you can always switch.

> If it impacts the content area, then the browser designer should defer to the application designer.

No. I want application designers to always be aware that their designs for web applications will be modified by the clients and cannot be expected to match their Figma sketches. Web applications are guests on the user's computer, and if Edge having rounded corners helps drive that home, I'm very content with that!

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

#13

Post by breadwinner »

lolinder wrote: post #12
breadwinner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating design/aesthetic choices with accessibility. The browser designer is enforcing their aesthetic choices (which happens to be ugly and inconsistent) on their users. That's OK if it only impacts the browser chrome. If it impacts the content area, then the browser designer should defer to the application designer. > you should expect browsers to modify your designs to meet user needs. As a user, I don'…

> There is no way to turn off these "enhancements". It sounds like there will be. In the meantime, Edge is not the only browser available to you, and you can always switch. > If it impacts the content area, then the browser designer should defer to the application designer. No. I want application designers to always be aware that their designs for web applications will be modified by the clients and cannot be expecte…

If those are user's preferences then that's OK! But they are not. Can we all agree that having top-left corner be rounded, while leaving top-right corner square is just dumb? Can we all agree that a white border on a dark-mode page is stupid as heck? This is what happens when browser makers interfere with web application design.

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by db48x »

breadwinner wrote: post #13
lolinder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no way to turn off these "enhancements". It sounds like there will be. In the meantime, Edge is not the only browser available to you, and you can always switch. > If it impacts the content area, then the browser designer should defer to the application designer. No. I want application designers to always be aware that their designs for web applications will be modified by the clients and cannot be expecte…

If those are user's preferences then that's OK! But they are not. Can we all agree that having top-left corner be rounded, while leaving top-right corner square is just dumb? Can we all agree that a white border on a dark-mode page is stupid as heck? This is what happens when browser makers interfere with web application design.

No, I don't want to go around dividing those things into “accessibility” and “merely aesthetic” buckets, and then only allow the things in the first bucket. For one thing, some of them are both.

I can and do apply custom style sheets to all kinds of web pages, which make all kinds of changes that the web designer might not like. Some of them improve the aesthetics according to my idiosyncratic preferences, others improve my ability to access the content. And of course it should go without saying that I remove all the ads and other nonsense too.

If you are speaking as a web designer, then you don’t get to complain about rounded corners on the viewport. Or about any other thing which the browser does to your page, even if you think of your page as an application.

If you are speaking simply as a user of Edge, then you should complain to Microsoft if those rounded corners offend your sense of aesthetics. Or use a different browser. I recommend Firefox! Firefox is great.

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by breadwinner »

db48x wrote: post #14
breadwinner wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If those are user's preferences then that's OK! But they are not. Can we all agree that having top-left corner be rounded, while leaving top-right corner square is just dumb? Can we all agree that a white border on a dark-mode page is stupid as heck? This is what happens when browser makers interfere with web application design.

No, I don't want to go around dividing those things into “accessibility” and “merely aesthetic” buckets, and then only allow the things in the first bucket. For one thing, some of them are both. I can and do apply custom style sheets to all kinds of web pages, which make all kinds of changes that the web designer might not like. Some of them improve the aesthetics according to my idiosyncratic preferences, others imp…

Of course I get to complain about it! That's the only way to bring about change! If enough people complain about it, and I think there will be, Microsoft will fix it.

Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by [deleted] »

breadwinner wrote: post #15
db48x wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I don't want to go around dividing those things into “accessibility” and “merely aesthetic” buckets, and then only allow the things in the first bucket. For one thing, some of them are both. I can and do apply custom style sheets to all kinds of web pages, which make all kinds of changes that the web designer might not like. Some of them improve the aesthetics according to my idiosyncratic preferences, others imp…

Of course I get to complain about it! That's the only way to bring about change! If enough people complain about it, and I think there will be, Microsoft will fix it.

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Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by [deleted] »

lolinder wrote: post #4

A screenshot and explanation of how to turn this off can be found here [0]. > Edge is breaking this cardinal rule: Browser chrome belongs to the browser, but the content area belongs to the application alone. It's funny, for me this is not at all what the web is about. I see CSS styles as at best a suggestion for how the website would like to be rendered, but the browser is fundamentally a user agent that can render…

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Re: Tell HN: Edge has added rounded corners to all web pages

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Post by zzo38computer »

db48x wrote: post #2

That’s not the rule I want browsers to follow. I want the browser to act as my agent, following my preferences in all things. I set a minimum font size, I control which fonts pages may use, I control when they may run scripts, when they may have videos or sound, what form controls (buttons, text inputs, etc) look like, when they may load content from third–party domains, etc, etc. Web application developers should no…

I agree, although the browser should include appropriate settings/functions for the user to configure all of the things that you mention (and others as well, such as maximum font size, request headers, file format and protocol handlers, etc), and should have suitable defaults.

The user ought to have the ability to turn off the rounded corners (fortunately it seems there is such an option, so that would be good), and it also probably ought to be off by default.

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