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Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by 123154534634634 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #127
Swordfish12345 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people with ADHD...because their brains don't work like this. You might be surprised to find out that there is actually no proof of this. The biggest thing impacting people with ADHD symptoms is the diagnosis. It implies they have a brain disorder, and cuts short any exploration into environmental causes of their symptoms. And an environmental cause may in fact be, simply not trying some simple advice from this art…

I would be very surprised because that's complete nonsense. ADHD is a neurodevelopmental disorder with changes in both neurochemistry and structural development of the brain [1]. This is why drugs like Adderall are highly effective in treating the symptoms of ADHD. You cannot cure disorders of the brain by reading blogs on the internet, and it is this kind of ignorance that has given people with neurological issues a…

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Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by 123154534634634 »

solumunus wrote: post #126
Swordfish12345 wrote: post #117

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> removing the phone from the room entirely. 100%. Started this recently. It works perfectly if you can withstand the withdrawals! The moment you start doing this, is the moment you have to confront how incredibly addicted you actually are to your phone and the internet. It will feel like you are being tortured. And it's very easy to give in because the immediate consequences are quite tame (getting to sleep a bit la…

If you’re that addicted you’ve got real problems and you should absolutely be following through with this and other things to break that addiction. I question how many people would really react like that. I use my phone in bed at times I shouldn’t but it’s a complete non issue to not have it in bed.

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Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by xeromal »

Androider wrote: post #76

The most negative influence on my sleep by far is from using my phone in bed, as I suspect it is for many others. Not only when falling asleep, but also when waking up reaching for the phone is too easy and robs me of any chance of falling asleep again. The only trick I've found that works quite consistently for me, is removing the phone from the room entirely. This makes my laziness work for me for once, as getting…

I struggled with insomnia about 6 years ago and realized using my phone and computer was the culprit. I now shower in the dark and go straight to bed after. No screen time. I fall asleep usually in minutes though occasionally I'll struggle with sleep if I haven't hit the gym that day.

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by xeromal »

nerdchum wrote: post #25

This may work for non-neurotic people but laying still in bed is when the demons in my mind come out to play and remind me of all of my problems.

Gotta count sheep. You need to create noise in your brain while also letting that noise be something harmless that lets you sleep.

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by uncharted9 »

gatopingado wrote: post #101
larodi wrote: post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

FYI, "Why we sleep" is not a reliable source [1]. [1] https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/

Obligatory reply https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sbcmACvB6DqYXYidL/counter-th...

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by dloss »

Pooge wrote: post #88

I used to be really bad at falling asleep. I'm not talking 30 minutes or 45 minutes, but sometimes 3 whole hours without being able to get 1 second of sleep. I didn't even touch my phone once while in bed. I also had a lot of trouble finding the right position in which to sleep to feel comfortable (not even talking about finding the right mattress/pillow combination). Somehow, I trained myself at sleeping on my back…

For people sleeping alone, this counting technique might be a nerdy alternative: http://www.dirk-loss.de/calmyourmind/

Moreover, I find Shinzen Young's reframing helpful: "Amazingly, it’s possible to get a good night’s rest without necessarily sleeping much or at all. Two things are required: (1) that the body get rest by lying very still and corpse-like. (2) that the consciousness get rest by engaging in a systematic focusing technique." https://www.shinzen.org/help-for-insomnia-yet-another-use-fo...

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by flurdy »

I wrote [1] about my tip for falling sleep: Daydream. I now coach my own kids to do the same and it works.

Essentially do not think about things that has happened; It just gets you annoyed with regrets that can not be changed. Do not think about the future; You will get excited, anxious, annoyed and too worked up to sleep. Also covers sports, politics, relationship, technology etc.

Think about things that do not affect you as a dream. A fantasy world etc. That has nothing to do with you personally so that it is just calming but distracts you enough until you are soon asleep.

[1] https://blog.flurdy.com/2010/02/excellent-tip-on-how-to-go-t...

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by swayvil »

InSteady wrote: post #125
Swordfish12345 wrote: post #116

The biggest problem of our modern age is the removal of agency. We are being pathologized by pseudo-science all around us. When people mention "willpower", everyone today is looking for a diagnosis as an excuse instead. Some things really are as simple as articles like this. The failing is education. People don't understand the way they have re-shaped their brains from pretty much everything spawning from the interne…

>When people mention "willpower", everyone today is looking for a diagnosis as an excuse instead. >People don't understand the way they have re-shaped their brains from pretty much everything spawning from the internet and tv. Sounds like people are looking to understand, but maybe according to you they are looking in the wrong places? Also, who is everyone? I think a ton of Westerners and especially Americans have b…

Re : reshaped brains.

I think that's legit. Given the entire panorama of experience, the sights sounds, smells, feelings, thoughts, etc. People are moving into thoughtland and becoming alienated to all else. The office job, the tv, videogames, the computer, social media. All push you into living in your head. Our whole population turning into videogame characters, living inside a personal Matrix kind of thing. It's a kind of zombie apocalypse.

Re : willpower.

I think that willpower is applicable if that's your thing, but that's nobody's thing really. Most of us are just a leaf on the wind that way. What really matters is the various localized wind gusts, if you get my meaning. That's temptation. I mean, in the classic sense. Temptation sucking us in to dreams, distorting our perspective. And boy, the #1 product in our culture is temptation. Temptation by the trainload.

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by isignal »

smeej wrote: post #84
larodi wrote: post #71

Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep. There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc. And I’m sa…

I don't think the point of the article was actually about sleep at all. It was about where to apply willpower to effect any kind of habit change. It's just an example in his case that the habit he wanted to build was going to sleep earlier, which he tried to do by just lying still in bed at the time he wanted to sleep, and resisting the urge to do anything else, first for two minutes, then for four. But he applies th…

Where there’s lack of sleep, willpower is one of the first things to be affected. So the authors advice only applies in a narrow set of cases. Exercise, for example, might be a better way of getting out of the vicious loops caused by lack of sleep.

Re: Lie still in bed

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Post by 123154534634634 »

InSteady wrote: post #125
Swordfish12345 wrote: post #116

The biggest problem of our modern age is the removal of agency. We are being pathologized by pseudo-science all around us. When people mention "willpower", everyone today is looking for a diagnosis as an excuse instead. Some things really are as simple as articles like this. The failing is education. People don't understand the way they have re-shaped their brains from pretty much everything spawning from the interne…

>When people mention "willpower", everyone today is looking for a diagnosis as an excuse instead. >People don't understand the way they have re-shaped their brains from pretty much everything spawning from the internet and tv. Sounds like people are looking to understand, but maybe according to you they are looking in the wrong places? Also, who is everyone? I think a ton of Westerners and especially Americans have b…

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